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post #1 of 60 (permalink) Old January 3rd, 2004, 16:12 Thread Starter
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Bojan Prašnikar podkupljen?
Sobotne Slovenske novice so postregle z osupljivim naslovom na prvi strani: "Bojan Prašnikar vzel podkupnino"


Že res, da je novico objavil slovenski trič-tračarski časnik Slovenske novice (sobota, 3. januar 2004, letnik XIV, avtor Mitja Lomovšek), a vseeno je osupljiva - župan občine Zavrč Miran Vuk namreč trdi, da je med leti 1997 in 1998 takratnemu trenerju Maribora in zdajšnjemu selektorju slovenske nogometne reprezentance Bojanu Prašnikarju plačal kar 10.000 nekdanjih nemških mark, da sta lahko oba igrala v prvi enajsterici vijoličastih. Vuk, nekdanji nogometni menedžer, ki sedaj vso svojo župansko plačo namenja vaškemu župnijskemu uradu za obnovo cerkva, tudi trdi, da je moral za prestop Čeha v Maribor takratnemu tehničnemu direktorju kluba Željku Fundaku (danes direktor v Muri, še pred časom je opravljal vlogo direktorja slovenske reprezentance) na roko plačati kar 18.000 mark.

Ob vsem tem je zanimivo, da to ni prvič, da je bil Prašnikar obtožen podkupovanja. Ko je bil trener Maribora, ga je podobnega namreč obtožil tudi nekdanji bosanski mladinski reprezentant Dalibor Silić, ki je bil nekaj časa član vijoličastih, a ni veliko igral. Takrat je v obrazložitev za sarajevski časnik Avazov Sport povedal: "Bojan Prašnikar me je poslal v igro na dveh srečanjih. Pozneje me ni bilo več na nogometnem zemljevidu. Nisem mu dal denarja, kar bi mi zagotovilo igranje, in tu se zgodba konča. On je pač takšen trener, da forsira tiste igralce, ki mu dajejo denar." Silić je sicer kasneje izjavo preklical, a novinar časnika Emir Delić še vedno trdi drugače, izjavo Silića pa ima dejansko posneto na kasetnem traku.

Tudi v Sloveniji so že krožile podobne zgodbe. Nekajkrat nam je na uho prišla govorica, da naj bi se Prašnikar na začetku svojega dela kot selektor reprezentance nekajkrat sestal z očetom nekega nogometaša z Gorenjske in v roke prejel kuverto, nakar je nogometaš kaj kmalu tudi dejansko debitiral v dresu z državnim grbom. Kakorkoli že, če je na vsem tem vsaj kanček resnice, kar piše v Slovenskih novicah, potem je kot na dlani: Bojan Prašnikar mora odgovarjati za svoje grehe! Če je res, da je jemal podkupnino za Čeha in Kmetca, potem kot tak enostavno ni primeren za selektorja slovenske nogometne reprezentance...


It's not the first time... and even zavrl confirmed that he heard rumours about fishy things around our NT...
Personally i think there must be some truth to this since this kind of accusations have followed him his whole career...
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post #2 of 60 (permalink) Old January 3rd, 2004, 18:49
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I bet it's just someone who's fed up with him running the NT and he/she decided to spread rumours and maybe get rid of him.
Or because it's a tranquil football time in Slovenia right now and someone decided to pep it up a bit.

Bottom line ... innocent untill proven guilty.
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I actually heard with my own ears similar stories about Prasnikar from one of the players he coached in Maribor's golden times. Thus I believe that what Vuk says is true.

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post #4 of 60 (permalink) Old January 3rd, 2004, 19:09 Thread Starter
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I bet it's just someone who's fed up with him running the NT and he/she decided to spread rumours and maybe get rid of him.
Or because it's a tranquil football time in Slovenia right now and someone decided to pep it up a bit.

This rumours are not new at all... but i guess this nt business is a good reson for some people to bring it up...
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Was there an investigation back then when the first rumours came out?
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I remember this silic business... he made the statement, prasnikar denied it and that was it...
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post #7 of 60 (permalink) Old January 4th, 2004, 18:42
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When somebody discoveres or just points out such a silly corruption, you got to be laughing.

Offcourse he did it, that seems not even an issue in such a sourroundings. We can just watch if something will come up from all of this. To moralise this issue is not a practice. There was not really a research done not by the reporter of Slovenske Novice, or anybody else. An interview of Čeh's family, Nastja himself, Kmetec, Prašnikar, Zavrl, Vuk's contract. All of this is important and should be examined thoroughly by our "sport press". Let us see if Ekipa will moralize or report... So we will undoubtebly see how deep is our football in shit.

It would be good to attack Jagodnik on the issue. From a bush with a gun and and a threat...

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Like they say: Where there's smoke there's fire. This rumours are just too often when it comes to Prale that they could be ovrelooked. Something must be on it.

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post #9 of 60 (permalink) Old January 5th, 2004, 11:40 Thread Starter
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Well... a lot of people who have in depth knowledge about our domestic football say that there is no doubt that this is true, but also that prasnikar is not the only one doing this... supposedly this is common practice in most of our clubs...
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post #10 of 60 (permalink) Old January 5th, 2004, 13:20
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Ekipa's firstpage:

Žontastično..... (Skratka afere nas ne zanimajo....)
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post #11 of 60 (permalink) Old January 5th, 2004, 14:08
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Ohh come on, of course Žonta's success deserves the front page!!! Besides, you all are claiming that everybody already knows what is going on so therefor it ain't that big of a news now is it, so why again would they put it on the first page?
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post #12 of 60 (permalink) Old January 6th, 2004, 13:07
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The next day

comment of the ekipa's editor:

All for now is foggy. From this affair mainly football will be hurt?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Page now has a big notion, but formost in behalf of defense. Slovenske Novice are bashed for being a yellow daily newspaper. Not a bit of investigative reportage.

All want this under the carpet. You can even notice a strong comment that our state is filled with corruption, and such as the corruption of our NT manager, should not be judged more then other kin.??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who the **** are we trying to fool?



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post #13 of 60 (permalink) Old January 6th, 2004, 13:13
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Besides, you all are claiming that everybody already knows what is going on so therefor it ain't that big of a news now is it, so why again would they put it on the first page?
Ekipa is not cheap. The have no colors (okej 2 pages) , worst printing, not hardly no news. So where does my money go, when I support edini športni dnevnik v Sloveniji?

I expect from them journalism of top class, sport comments with quality points and knowledge of a proffesional. You must expect at least a statement on the issue... Wouldn't you?
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You are right Jurcek!

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Ekipa is not cheap. The have no colors (okej 2 pages) , worst printing, not hardly no news. So where does my money go, when I support edini športni dnevnik v Sloveniji?

I expect from them journalism of top class, sport comments with quality points and knowledge of a proffesional. You must expect at least a statement on the issue... Wouldn't you?
Then don't support it Stop buying it. As you said, there's nothing written in it that could be slightly interesting, not to mention true.
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Ne bodo kaznovani

Tudi če je do podkupovanja res prišlo, selektor Bojan Prašnikar, Željko Fundak in župan občine Zavrč Miran Vuk za dejanja ne bodo kazensko odgovarjali.

111. člen Kazenskega zakonika Republike Slovenije (KZRS) pravi, da kazenski pregon ni več dovoljen, če je od datuma storitve kaznivega dejanja preteklo več kot pet let. Če gre verjeti govoricam župana občine Zavrč Mirana Vuka, je od njegovega domnevnega plačila podkupnine selektorju slovenske reprezentance Bojanu Prašnikarju ter nekdanjemu direktorju NK Maribor Željku Fundaku prišlo v letih 1997 in 1998 – torej se je "rok" iztekel že lansko leto. Sicer pa je po 267. in 268. členu KZRS za sprejem podkupnine zagrožena zaporna kazen do petih let. Za plačilo pa do treh let. Morda pa so prav ti datumi razlog, da je vse skupaj prišlo v javnost šele sedaj...

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Nothing can surprize me anymore when it comes to our justice! I gave up on it long ago :rollani:

I think it doesn't matter if the case got too old, they should come to the bottom of the truth. People have the right to know what goes on. Besides, if they find proof I'm sure the media and society will give him hell and he'll wish to go to jail as in hide from everyone!
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I say they should get to the truth, no matter what. And if there is anything on it Prale should be kicked the hell out. The problem is of course, who will even bother to seek for the truth. NZS? Give me a break, our wheels of justice . So who? Noone, and on we go.

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by any means I would like to suit....

Any widely recognizes truth should not be politicaly ignored. If Bojan takes this to court, his truth/lie will be told by the final verdict. Does he have the balls? Does NZS?

More or less is obvious, this is a pretty large loundring facility. Everybody that is somebody has something to clean. We are also in a system on lincensing the clubs. Anly good can come of it.

Problems of profesionalisation will be sorely cleansed by this affair. Amaters, here we come, now even healthy.
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Here is a little something from yesterdays press conference held by NZS:

Prašnikar: Nikoli nisem sprejel podkupnine!
Danes je v prostorih Nogometne zveze Slovenije potekala redna tiskovna konferenca, na kateri je bilo govora tudi o javnosti zanimivih temah, predvsem v povezavi s selektorjem Prašnikarjem, ki polnijo strani tiskanih medijev v zadnjih dneh. Številčni sedmi sili sta trenutna dogajanja predstavila selektor Bojan Prašnikar in sekretar NZS Dane Jošt. Najprej je bilo govora o programu A reprezentance v letu 2004.
V nadaljevanju je Dane Jošt spregovoril o sodelovanju NZS s selektorjem Prašnikarjem: "Na kolegiju predsedstva NZS je bilo 14.12.2003 soglasno sprejeto nadaljevanje sodelovanja s selektorjem Prašnikarjem za leti 2004 in 2005. Predlagan je bil tudi aneks h pogodbi, po katerem imata obe strani možnost predčasne prekinitve pogodbe. Ta je bil podpisan 30.12.2003. Če pride do predčasne prekinitve pogodbe, je selektor upravičen do nadomestila v višini treh mesečnih plač. Poudariti moram, da ni bilo nobenih sestankov v gostilnah ali sprememb finančnih pogojev, kot so jih omenjali mediji. Prav tako ni bilo nobenih pritiskov ali igric s strani NZS."
Kot zadnja tema je na 'dnevni red' prišla afera, ki je v zadnjih dneh dodobra pretresla slovensko športno javnost. Na očitke Slovenskih Novic o podkupnini, ki naj bi jo prejel, je Bojan Prašnikar odgovoril: "Tako kot lani sem tudi letos dobil enako darilo za novo leto. Naj spomnim, da so lani mediji špekulirali, da se ločujem od žene. Tudi letos je iz istih krogov prišla podobna novica. Zame je stvar ad acta. Predana je tistim, ki se s tem ukvarjajo. Očitata se mi dve zadevi, obe brez osnove. Odvetniki se še odločajo, ali bo tožba usmerjena le na gospoda Vuka, ali tudi na medij, ki je zadevo objavil, oziroma dotičnega novinarja. Naslov na prvi strani je bil zelo primeren za tožbo, rečem lahko, da sem iz tega zornega kota celo vesel za tak naslov. Kar pa se tiče ugibanja o sprejemu podkupnine, garantiram, da je nisem nikoli sprejel." Svoje je o tej temi povedal tudi sekretar NZS: "Zadeva za NZS gotovo ni nepomembna, vendar zaenkrat tega ne bomo razščiščevali ali kako drugače reagirali. Šele, ko bo stvar razjasnjena, upam da čimprej, bomo lahko reagirali."
Tako selektor kot tudi sekretar NZS sta torej pričakovano demantirala vsakršna namigovanja glede zloglasnega aneksa in podkupovalne afere. Upajmo, da se bo s tem polemiziranje medijev končalo, in da se bo selektorju in odgovornim na zvezi pustilo, da v miru delajo. Čas pa bo seveda znova pokazal, kako uspešni bodo pri tem.

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