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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old May 13th, 2003, 12:54 Thread Starter
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Uglajeni poslovnež Jurij Schollmayer je v televizijskem Gooolu stresal brozgo po Nogometnem klubu Maribor, sebe posipaval s pepelom in se vmes pridno nasmihal kameri. Vsaj ljudem v NK Maribor ob nič kaj dobronamernih opazkah na njihov račun ni šlo na smeh. Že dolgo nismo slišali, da bi kdo tako nonšalantno in neutemeljeno obtoževal. Kot vreščeči majhen otrok iz Bežigrada, ki se mu je razbila dragocena igrača, kriv pa je seveda paglavec iz sosednjega (Ljudskega) vrta.

Če strnemo bistroumna Jurijeva opažanja, ki jih je razložil s ciničnim podtonom: "Zadetke v zadnjih minutah smo pričakovali, še zlasti v Mariboru so se vselej dogajali tudi v minulih letih." Kot češ, Mariborčani (pa morda tudi Celjani) so vešči iger tudi tudi zunaj igrišča. Ko NK Maribor zmaguje, nekaj ni v redu. Ko zmaguje NK Olimpija, je vse O. K. - iz ljubljanskega zornega kota. Schollmayer je ironično razložil, da je bil prepričan o zmagi Maribora do te mere, da bi bil nanjo pripravljen staviti veliko vsoto, saj se po njegovem v nedeljo drugače kot z zmago Maribora ni moglo končati. No, če bi bil pridno stavil večkrat, vsaj v zadnjih nekaj krogih, bi lahko zaslužil dovolj za vso svojo zvezdniško ekipo pa še njemu bi ostalo prgišče tolarjev. Če pa dobička ni bilo, je bilo očitno treba s sebe sprati krivdo in jo prevaliti na "mariborska posla". A dvomite o poštenosti sodnikov, ga je zbodel novinar. "Sigurno, saj vsi, ki se spoznajo na nogomet, dvomijo." Takšna nesramna opazka na račun sodnikov je bila najmanj, kar se od odličnega poslovneža pričakuje.

Nogometni svetovalci okoli Jurija Schollmayerja pač vedo - po slišanem - vse in še več. Toda ti nogometni modrijani so vedeli tudi to, da Prosinečki komaj še stoji na eni nogi, pa to nikogar ni motilo - dokler so zmagovali. Vedeli so tudi, da Oblak ni hotel Pavlina, pa to ni bila ovira za njegov vpoklic v ekipo - dokler se niso znašli tam, kjer jim je mesto. Po drugi strani pa vsi vemo, da je sedanja Olimpija naslednica nekdanje Olimpije, celo davkarija - samo sedanje Olimpijino vodstvo išče svojo (finančno) resnico.

Brane Oblak da je vnašal živčnost v moštvo, nam je razložil njegov šef, ker da ni problematična kakovost Olimpijinih igralcev. Po vehementnosti presoje trenerjeve slabe psihološke pripravljenosti in izjemne kakovosti nogometašev je prekosil celo po naravi netaktičnega Oblaka. Ki pa mu vrata kluba niso zaprta, saj ima navsezadnje z Olimpijo veljavno pogodbo, smo še slišali. Kolikor poznamo vzkipljivega Oblaka, bo takoj postal vesten pomočnik novega trenerja Bešireviča.

Ko naj bi kronal sezono vsaj s slovenskim pokalom, so Oblaku spodnesli stolček. Tik pred zdajci so mu odvzeli priložnost, ki jo je ustvarjal vso sezono. Nogometni posli. Po novem tudi Schollmayerjevi posli.

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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old May 14th, 2003, 06:25
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It's a disgrace really what happened at Olimpija, ofcourse the easiest way is to blame the coach. Brane did OK, I mean it was not realistic to expect miracles from Olimpija even though they made some good buys. Befor the season Oblak was concidered a long term solution, and now he gets sacked like this. I'm no fan of Olimpija's but this is too much.
I can only see an downfall for Olimpija again, and they deserve it!

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post #3 of 21 (permalink) Old May 15th, 2003, 02:15
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Eh, could you guys translate what's in that letter? It seems rather interesting.
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post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old May 16th, 2003, 03:09
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It's not that interesting...

It's an article that quotes the statments of Jurij Schollmayer who is the... i guess you could say president of olimpija.
He stated on the national television that the refs are partial towards nk maribor and against olimpija...

The second part of the artical is the reporters comment which is an exaggeration in the opposite opinion...

What i find funny is that right after this statements, olimpija played the first final game of the cup, and had one of the worst and most biased refereeing i have ever seen...
Revenge or coincidence?
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post #5 of 21 (permalink) Old May 18th, 2003, 18:16 Thread Starter
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I cannot say since I haven't seen the game, but I would not be surprised if things went as they did.


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It's a disgrace really what happened at Olimpija, ofcourse the easiest way is to blame the coach. Brane did OK, I mean it was not realistic to expect miracles from Olimpija even though they made some good buys. Befor the season Oblak was concidered a long term solution, and now he gets sacked like this. I'm no fan of Olimpija's but this is too much.
I can only see an downfall for Olimpija again, and they deserve it!
Why do they deserve it? What did they do?

I agree with you though that Oblak was sacked without thinking. It's not his fault that players who should perform did not, but then again it is always the coach that has to leave. At the beginning of the season when Šolmajer took over he said, more than once, that they do not expect great results from the start, but that he does expect to see Olimpija in a european competition in the years that will follow. I wonder where all the patience went?
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At the beginning of the season when Šolmajer took over he said, more than once, that they do not expect great results from the start, but that he does expect to see Olimpija in a european competition in the years that will follow. I wonder where all the patience went?
That's why Nina!

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That would mean that Šolmajer doesn't deserve it, but certainly not the team. They can't help it if their boss is greedy IMVHO
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You can put it that way yes. When Šolmajer took over olimpija I thought he is truly the man our football needs, that he will build a strong club, work longterms with young talents, patiently and so on. But he turned out to be just another ass seeking for glory, with no plans, no nothing. And it makes me sick, just as that Jagodnik piece of shit made me when he was scrwing up things in Maribor. I mean why can't a decent person take over a club like Olimpija, and that really start working for the future, building from the schratch, and not start employing used goods, blaming coach for everything.
Ah it's useless to even bother talkin about that, it will never change, not in Slovenija.

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You can put it that way yes. When Šolmajer took over olimpija I thought he is truly the man our football needs, that he will build a strong club, work longterms with young talents, patiently and so on.
So did I :depress: But I was disappointed from the beginning, when he picked a coach as I really don't like Oblak. He acts too big-shotish for my taste

I'm still hoping that things will change someday, it's not like they can go any worse ... we are already at the bottom

How about Srečko for Olimpija? He didn't do good at his last clubs, GO and Olymp, but I'm willing to try him out
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Hey Olimpija's got their tittle, so I guess Šolmajer isn't that bad at all.

I tought Oblak was a good deal for them, I mean he was a great player, one of the best of his time. And as a coach, forgeting that he is arrogant and all, he has the right idea as to what the game should be like under his rule. It's just that the way he sees it, you need to work on long terms, with young players if you want to play fast and atractive football. In the circumstances that are in Slovenija, with coaches beeing sacked every other week, he was never to get his chance to proove himself.
The only bright light as far as coaches are concerned in our league is Publikum and Pušnik, they trusted him, he started working with what he had, and really built a strong team.

No, I really wouldn't like to see Srečko take over Olimpija, I can only imagine how much bul šit he'd have to go through. He should find himself a good club in Europe. Rumours have it, that in case if Sampdoria, his former club in Italy, returns to Serie A, he would be offered a coaching job there. So normaly I'm cheering for that to be true.

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Srecko in olimpija? Yeah right... he would probably want around a MIO evros yearly wage... That's how much he thinks is worth, and is more than our whole budget...

I think we should keep suad... he seems like a decent enough guy, and has done very well as coach in ljubljana...
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One thing is clear though, that one, who was a great football player, has much more chance to be good coach too. Why? Because he played in good clubs with good coaches and thus he knows what it takes to achieve success. Of course, not every great player will be a great coach too, but some Suad who played for Turnisce or something has as much chance to become a good coach as my grandmother.

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So true what you say!

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One thing is clear though, that one, who was a great football player, has much more chance to be good coach too. Why? Because he played in good clubs with good coaches and thus he knows what it takes to achieve success. Of course, not every great player will be a great coach too, but some Suad who played for Turnisce or something has as much chance to become a good coach as my grandmother.
Not true at all... There are many great coaches that never played high level football... And many world class players who failed miserably coaching...

Oh yes... and suad was a pretty good player in our 1. league...


What i like abou besirevic is that he's statemets for the press remind me of katanec... He has the same mentality...
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Not true at all... There are many great coaches that never played high level football... And many world class players who failed miserably coaching...
I never claimed that every great coach had to be great football player, read my post again.

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Playing in slovenian 1. division doesn't neccessarily mean high level football.

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Well it was written in Slovenske Novice (so hardly believable, we can't even call it a rumour) that Šolmajer contacted Srečko for taking over when Brane left. He said no of course, but didn't close the odoor behind him when asked about starting afresh next season.

Sampdoria sounds better though And they are already champs of Seria B and will move to the big leage next season ... where did you hear that rumour Walter?
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I never claimed that every great coach had to be great football player, read my post again.


Playing in slovenian 1. division doesn't neccessarily mean high level football.
Well true... but in that case there is only a handfull of coaches in slovenia that fit your criteria...

The only true great players who coach are Oblak and Katanec... Popivoda is an assistant and than we have a few who were decent players but not great like kek...
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