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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old July 3rd, 2018, 06:11 Thread Starter
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How to make Hungarians cry!

Ok, turn the clock back 10 years approx. Now check the players avalible to us:

Kiraly Gábor - Hertha BSC / Aston Villa
Babos Gábor - Feyenoord
Fülöp Márton - Man City

Juhász Roland - Anderlecht
Bodnár Laci - Red Bull Salzburg
Feher Cs - PSV
Kádár Tomi - Newcastle United ("1st team")

(this is where it hurts the most)

Gera Zoltán - WBA
Huszti Szabolcs - Hannover / Zenit
Dzudzsák Balázs - PSV
Hajnal Tamás - Bor Dortmund
Buzsáky Ákos - QPR
Stieber Zoltán - Hamburg
Vadócz Krisztián - Osasuna
Tőzsér Dániel - AEK Athens
Koman Vlagyimir - Sampdoria
Vass Ádám - Brescia

Szalai Ádám - Schalke
Torghelle Sándor- Panathinikos
Nemanja Nikolics - Legia Warsaw
Szabics Imre - VfB Stuttgart

I added their best club team in their careers.


Why was it so difficult to find a team with these players? There is quality there. We should've had better results. Especially during the Koeman era and after. Where all these players were avalible.

Also, if these guys can't make it. What chance have the current keret got?
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Ok, turn the clock back 10 years approx. Now check the players avalible to us:

Kiraly Gábor - Hertha BSC / Aston Villa
Babos Gábor - Feyenoord
Fülöp Márton - Man City

Juhász Roland - Anderlecht
Bodnár Laci - Red Bull Salzburg
Feher Cs - PSV
Kádár Tomi - Newcastle United ("1st team")

(this is where it hurts the most)

Gera Zoltán - WBA
Huszti Szabolcs - Hannover / Zenit
Dzudzsák Balázs - PSV
Hajnal Tamás - Bor Dortmund
Buzsáky Ákos - QPR
Stieber Zoltán - Hamburg
Vadócz Krisztián - Osasuna
Tőzsér Dániel - AEK Athens
Koman Vlagyimir - Sampdoria
Vass Ádám - Brescia

Szalai Ádám - Schalke
Torghelle Sándor- Panathinikos
Nemanja Nikolics - Legia Warsaw
Szabics Imre - VfB Stuttgart

I added their best club team in their careers.


Why was it so difficult to find a team with these players? There is quality there. We should've had better results. Especially during the Koeman era and after. Where all these players were avalible.

Also, if these guys can't make it. What chance have the current keret got?
You saw what Tunisia can do. What Japan can do. So there you go, the current keret does have a chance for anything.

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You saying Japan and Tunisia are jobb?
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You saying Japan and Tunisia are jobb?
I say they don't have a much better squad than ours and they play a superior football.
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Ok, turn the clock back 10 years approx. Now check the players avalible to us:

Kiraly Gábor - Hertha BSC / Aston Villa
Babos Gábor - Feyenoord
Fülöp Márton - Man City

Juhász Roland - Anderlecht
Bodnár Laci - Red Bull Salzburg
Feher Cs - PSV
Kádár Tomi - Newcastle United ("1st team")

(this is where it hurts the most)

Gera Zoltán - WBA
Huszti Szabolcs - Hannover / Zenit
Dzudzsák Balázs - PSV
Hajnal Tamás - Bor Dortmund
Buzsáky Ákos - QPR
Stieber Zoltán - Hamburg
Vadócz Krisztián - Osasuna
Tőzsér Dániel - AEK Athens
Koman Vlagyimir - Sampdoria
Vass Ádám - Brescia

Szalai Ádám - Schalke
Torghelle Sándor- Panathinikos
Nemanja Nikolics - Legia Warsaw
Szabics Imre - VfB Stuttgart

I added their best club team in their careers.


Why was it so difficult to find a team with these players? There is quality there. We should've had better results. Especially during the Koeman era and after. Where all these players were avalible.

Also, if these guys can't make it. What chance have the current keret got?
You're right, although these players never had qualifying as easy as in the recent Euro run. That combined with the #csakegyutt organization/belief we had then may have been the difference. Of course some of these guys were still there, even if on their válogatott last legs.

Chance for the current keret is next to none. The only hope is those who went to külföld early, but that's nothing new. We've had those kids before. Plus most of them are too young to make any immediate impact, if they actually become something.

List probably makes us look a little better than we actually were. Kádár didn't do much at Newcastle, Koman at Sampdoria. Stieber slightly more at Hamburg. Don't recall how Vass did at Brescia.

What's really sad is we're not even good enough to be given a chance to fail at these clubs now
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I say they don't have a much better squad than ours and they play a superior football.
Japan's squad is largely made up of players from the Bundesliga, EPL, La Liga, Ligue 1, and other decent European leagues... Hungary have players from Kazakhstan and Hong Kong ffs. Think you're underselling Japan's squad a tad.
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Japan's squad is largely made up of players from the Bundesliga, EPL, La Liga, Ligue 1, and other decent European leagues... Hungary have players from Kazakhstan and Hong Kong ffs. Think you're underselling Japan's squad a tad.
You're right, I just checked and they do have many players in those leagues, my mistake.

I stand by what I said about Tunisia though.

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I say they don't have a much better squad than ours and they play a superior football.
Simply because they play teamball and hardly any 25 meter hopefully shots..the way Magyars used to play!

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Kádár played in nb2 for Newcastle. That's why I added him. Not Németh for example. He never played for Liverpool and hardly any at AEK.

Koman snd Vass played games in Samp and Bresia. I suppose I should have added Vaskó too, but I didn't think. He had the quality. These boys did.

Regarding Koman many people say he should be in the team now.


It is shooking to me the quality we had. Way more than Slovenia and Slovakia for example. Who qualified for tournements.



Something to cheer us up. England had incredible talent and never made a team. Rooney, Lampard, Stevie G etc. Now they have a team with lesser players and are getting results..

I often think about kicking Erwin Koeman in the nuts. He had Huszti, Gera, Juji, etc but refused to call up in-form Németh, Koman and Szalai. He would've had experience players at their peak and exciting youngsters.

Oh well! I just get so annoyed and frustraded. I can see us going back to the Sebőkvili amd Tökölinadze days.
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Simply because they play teamball and hardly any 25 meter hopefully shots..the way Magyars used to play!
Jürgen Klinsmann was on brit telly and he said they play team ball and they won't panic etc. I thougt he overegged it... But I was really surprised. Belgium had to hit high balls to "The Tree" in order to win. Japan couldn't handle that. I don't get why all the Japanese players are so short. I had a pen pal that was 6ft 3in!

Tzlking of Klinsy, he had to comment on Neymar's play acting. The other 3 holding back the giggles. As Klinsy was the biggest actor on the pitch of all time. Even got an opponent sent off in the world cup final 1990.
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Kádár played in nb2 for Newcastle. That's why I added him. Not Németh for example. He never played for Liverpool and hardly any at AEK.

Koman snd Vass played games in Samp and Bresia. I suppose I should have added Vaskó too, but I didn't think. He had the quality. These boys did.

Regarding Koman many people say he should be in the team now.


It is shooking to me the quality we had. Way more than Slovenia and Slovakia for example. Who qualified for tournements.



Something to cheer us up. England had incredible talent and never made a team. Rooney, Lampard, Stevie G etc. Now they have a team with lesser players and are getting results..

I often think about kicking Erwin Koeman in the nuts. He had Huszti, Gera, Juji, etc but refused to call up in-form Németh, Koman and Szalai. He would've had experience players at their peak and exciting youngsters.

Oh well! I just get so annoyed and frustraded. I can see us going back to the Sebőkvili amd Tökölinadze days.
I remember Koman was there in the Moldova game at Chisinau

anyways, we'd love to be now where we were in the Sebökvili and Tökölinadze days
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Koman played that game in Moldova in 2011 under Eggman. Not under Koeman. Koeman even played Juhász in midfield.
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Yeah I remember that, I was in Romania at the time. Losing 3-0 to Moldova ffs even the Romanians were surprised

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Looking at that list, many weren't playing for their team consistently enough at the same time...they werent selected and certainly didn't all play together at once. If you look at those guys, many of them were the ones that got to euro 2nd round. Dzsudzsak, kadar, Stieber, juhasz, kiraly, szalai. If you put stieber, have to include Nemeth who had a very good beginning in Greece. They won the group and looked good in the group stage..even if the Portugal game was a scrimmage type, we should have beaten Iceland..dominated the game and if we won, we'd be group winners before the Portugal game anyways.

Koeman's first qualifier was against Denmark at home I believe. He tried using all the top players by putting Huszti as striker (Dzsudzsak replaced him already at wing). Huszti messed up on a breakaway and we drew 0-0. Don't recall whether he kept this idea of having the best players play even if its at another position, but it would have been a good idea.

Right now you can say that our attackers will be as successful if not more than that list. Daniel Salloi (if he chooses to leave US) and Roland Sallai will be top league players. Szalai and Nemeth are still playing. Dzsudzsak is still playing. In 10 years, you can say we had these 5 guys to pick from. Midfield Szoboszlai , Nagy. Goalie Gulacsi. Defense Kadar, Orban (maybe), Otigba (played in Holland so if you put guys that play in Poland, have to include Holland), Bese. Point is we are more talented than Finland or Greece and in 10 years you can say, we should have done more.
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Yeah, how many on that list were important húzóemberek on those teams? Gera, Buzsáky (relatively short time), Huszti, Juhász, Juji is about it. Of course that's surely more than we could say now.

Is it actually true that many want Koman in now? Basically done nothing for years. He started so promising, but I don't see how we could expect anything like that from him now. If he was 24-25 perhaps there'd still be a chance. He's one of the biggest disappointments in recent years because showed he could do it at NT level. Even with much less experience he was already better than Hajnal.
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Koman played that game in Moldova in 2011 under Eggman. Not under Koeman. Koeman even played Juhász in midfield.
He was defo in the squad when we beat Moldos in Chišinau, saw him with other team members in the hotel lounge, not sure if he played though but was called up
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my bad, that was Eggman game already, confused it with Albania where we met Erwin
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