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WC Qualifier: Romania - Hungary (September 6, 2013)

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Is anyone planning to go?

I would probably have gone bit I'm too busy with uni and other football related stuffs.

My prediction is Románia 6 - 1 Hungária.

Dzsudzsák will probably score to make it 1-1 from a penalty and give us false hope.

I think this is our weakest team since the Bozsik era. When we had Sebökvili, Molnár Balázs etc.
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Btw Turkeys coach quit today, so lets hope the new coach is gnna make this turk team strong enough to beat the romanok

http://www.nb1.hu/hirek/lemondott-to...tsegi-kapitany

Lemondott a török szövetségi kapitány

Már nem Abdullah Avci a magyar válogatottal egy vb-selejtező csoportban szereplő török nemzeti együttes szövetségi kapitánya. A szakvezető ugyanis ma lemondott posztjáról. (Emlékezetes a magyar csapat Budapesten 3-1-re legyőzte Avci együttesét, Isztambulban pedig 1-1-es döntetlent ért el.)



- Csakúgy, mint a győzelem, és a vereség, a válás is része a futballnak. Úgy gondolom, ajelenlegi helyzetben ez a helyes döntés, és a gondolataimat megosztottam a szövetség elnökével, Yildirim Demirörennel is - mondta szűkszavúan Avci, akinek a hattyúdala a 2-0-ás vezetésről 2-2-es döntetlenre adott hazai felkészülési mérkőzés volt egy héttel ezelőtt Ghána ellen.

Ám a szakvezetőnek nem emiatt az eredmény miatt kellett első sorban távoznia, hanem azért, mert a vb-selejtező csoportban négy meccsel a zárás előtt, csaknem kilátástalan helyzetben van a 2002-es világbajnokság bronzérmese, csupán negyedik a holland, a magyar, és a román együttes mögött. Csodaszámba menne, ha kivívná a szereplési jogot a jövő évi brazíliai vb-re.

A török szövetség, egyébként sajtóhírek szerint immár negyedik alkalommal a Galatasaray edzőjét, Fatih Terimet szeretné felkérni a poszt ellátására.
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Would've done if I didn't get a new job
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The Ro Nt is vulnerable both defensively - in that sense, similar to HU; and offensively, which is good news for us - again, given Hu defense. They do not really have a ready striker and second striker. Marica has no club (!), Mutu is as usually all over the place (and has a scandal-ridden relationship with the manager). There are alternatives, but considered not as good (Stancu). If he insists on playing Marica or Mutu, that would be good, because these guys are actually not in form. The public, to Hu Nts advantage, wants Mutu back; you know, "legend" and all. better an out of form or already passed talent than a fit and playing non-legend.

I always find it amusing when I see this mythologizing mentality at play. It is also typical for less pragmatic countries, especially Latin and Slavic ones. The typical case is taking a former player glory and making him, without any preparation or serious coaching experience behind him, manager of the national team. Stoickov in Bulgaria, Hagi in ROmania, Maradona in Argentina, Sanchez in Mexico, even Matthaeus in Hungary. Shockingly... they fail.

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Ente, the roman edzo already said mutu has 0 future for the roman nt, so he's not going to be there and also marica im pretty sure broke something in his leg so hes out.
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Official legionnaires roster for ROmania for the game

Goalies: Bogdan Ionuţ Lobonţ (AS Roma); Costel Fane Pantilimon (Manchester City FC)

Defense: Constantin Nica (Atalanta Bergamasca Calcio), Paul Papp (AC Chievo), Gabriel Sebastian Tamaş (West Bromwich Albion), Nicolai Dorin Goian (Asteras Tripolis); Răzvan Raţ-Dincă (West Ham United FC)

Midfield: Costin Lazăr (PAOK FC), Dan Nistor (Evian Thonon Gaillard FC), Gabriel Andrei Torje (Udinese Calcio), Bănel Nicoliţă (AS Saint-Etienne); Alexandru Iulian Maxim (VfB Stuttgart)

Attack: Marius Silviu Alexe (US Sassuolo Calcio), Claudiu Andrei Keşeru (SC Bastia), Raul Andrei Rusescu (Sevilla FC) ; Bogdan Sorin Stancu (Genclerbirligi SK)

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The Ro Nt is vulnerable both defensively - in that sense, similar to HU; and offensively, which is good news for us - again, given Hu defense. They do not really have a ready striker and second striker. Marica has no club (!), Mutu is as usually all over the place (and has a scandal-ridden relationship with the manager). There are alternatives, but considered not as good (Stancu). If he insists on playing Marica or Mutu, that would be good, because these guys are actually not in form. The public, to Hu Nts advantage, wants Mutu back; you know, "legend" and all. better an out of form or already passed talent than a fit and playing non-legend.

I always find it amusing when I see this mythologizing mentality at play. It is also typical for less pragmatic countries, especially Latin and Slavic ones. The typical case is taking a former player glory and making him, without any preparation or serious coaching experience behind him, manager of the national team. Stoickov in Bulgaria, Hagi in ROmania, Maradona in Argentina, Sanchez in Mexico, even Matthaeus in Hungary. Shockingly... they fail.
I'm sorry but this is so wrong... Mutu is actually still a great player, last season he should have had 20+ goals in Ligue 1 but got unlucky hitting the woodwork a lot, and still managed to score 11. I've seen him this season so far as well, and he's still an important player for his team in France and should definitely be at least called as backup for the NT, although imo he should be starter. He is still a big player, at least for scoring goals and having that extra touch of class. Marica is a joker, don't need him anyway, he's too stupid and greed to find himself a club, he's had this problem for years. Typical Romanian thing is to waste talent like that.

As for our defense, I wouldn't say it's 'vulnerable' and weak at all, and most certainly not as weak as the Hungarian defence. Rat is a solid and experienced fullback playing in the Premier league, Chiriches is a world class CB, Paul Papp is good and showing already starting in Serie A this season, as is Nica on the right, Goian is so-so but plays for a good team in Greece, Lato (despite his recent issues) is an amazing attacking full back who also usually defends well, Gaman is now in France and has been wanted by big clubs, etc. As for the midfield, we have too many to even consider.. sadly Piturca hasn't given enough chances to some of them that could be starters easily, but there is a lot of depth here. Maxim is a star in Germany and considered the best transfer made in the January window of last season, Torje's situation is still undetermined but he's been linked with some very good teams like PSG and Monaco and he is obviously a very good player, Lazar is a classy DM for PAOK, Nistor is an awesome CM and finally has been called (or at least is on the pre-list) for the Turkey and Hungary games, Tanase has been in incredible form at Steaua, Popa is usually classy despite recent form, Bourceanu is a huge playmaker for Steaua and has been targeted by teams like Fiorentina, Pintilii, Stanciu, Radut, Chitu, Stoian, Sanmartean, (although these last few haven't/won't been called), Antal, M. Roman, C. Matei, Mateiu, Anton, Grozav, etc. So much creativity and quality here it's not even funny... it's a shame we have Piturca as coach, else we'd have tried 3 or 4 different midfields in friendlies and could have been successful each time.

Now for the strikers, this is definitely our weakest area at the moment, but there are definitely very decent/good options available, Piturca just doesn't use them. Mutu should definitely be there although he won't be called. But that still leaves Stancu (he's a better player than you think, just needs to return to his form which seems likely now), Keseru (plays in ligue 1 and is a good player but shouldn't be a starter), Alexe (scored already in the Italian Cup for his Serie A team, still young though), Rusescu (more of an SS but also vital to Sevilla and has shown his quality and ability to adapt by scoring two goals in a EL match so far), Budescu (amazing this season and vital to Astra), etc.


Even without a complete Romania, and one coached under Piturca, we are still a dangerous side and are no way a team that Hungary should be overlooking...

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kdavids posted this on NSO - how many games they actually played last season;

Kapusok: Bogdan Lobont 5 meccs(Roma), Costel Pantilimon 0(Manchester City)
Védők: Constantin Nica 19[DinBuc] (Atalanta), Paul Papp 8(Chievo), Gabriel Tamas 11 (West Bromwich Albion), Dorin Goian 26(Aszterasz Tripolisz), Razvan Rat 16 (West Ham United)
Középpályások: Costin Lazar 29 (PAOK), Dan Nistor 33 [Pandurii](Evian TG), Gabriel Torje 34 [Granada](Udinese), Banel Nicolita 3 (St.-Etienne), Alexandru Maxim 11(VfB Stuttgart)
Csatárok: Marius Alexe 31[DinBuc] (Sassuolo), Claudiu Keseru 32[Angers](Bastia), Raul Rusescu 34 [Steaua] (Sevilla), Bogdan Stancu 30 (Genclerbirligi)

curently, several are constantly reserves at their team (situation HU players know as well), and some without a team yet

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Goalies: Bogdan Ionuţ Lobonţ (AS Roma); Costel Fane Pantilimon (Manchester City FC)

Defense: Constantin Nica (Atalanta Bergamasca Calcio), Paul Papp (AC Chievo), Gabriel Sebastian Tamaş (West Bromwich Albion), Nicolai Dorin Goian (Asteras Tripolis); Răzvan Raţ-Dincă (West Ham United FC)

Midfield: Costin Lazăr (PAOK FC), Dan Nistor (Evian Thonon Gaillard FC), Gabriel Andrei Torje (Udinese Calcio), Bănel Nicoliţă (AS Saint-Etienne); Alexandru Iulian Maxim (VfB Stuttgart)

Attack: Marius Silviu Alexe (US Sassuolo Calcio), Claudiu Andrei Keşeru (SC Bastia), Raul Andrei Rusescu (Sevilla FC) ; Bogdan Sorin Stancu (Genclerbirligi SK)
Calling Lobont, Tamas, and Nicolita is stupid, and he left out of a bunch of quality players... the only call-ups to be pleased about here is Nistor and Papp. The domestic call-ups should be good...

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kdavids posted this on NSO - how many games they actually played last season;

Kapusok: Bogdan Lobont 5 meccs(Roma), Costel Pantilimon 0(Manchester City)
Védők: Constantin Nica 19[DinBuc] (Atalanta), Paul Papp 8(Chievo), Gabriel Tamas 11 (West Bromwich Albion), Dorin Goian 26(Aszterasz Tripolisz), Razvan Rat 16 (West Ham United)
Középpályások: Costin Lazar 29 (PAOK), Dan Nistor 33 [Pandurii](Evian TG), Gabriel Torje 34 [Granada](Udinese), Banel Nicolita 3 (St.-Etienne), Alexandru Maxim 11(VfB Stuttgart)
Csatárok: Marius Alexe 31[DinBuc] (Sassuolo), Claudiu Keseru 32[Angers](Bastia), Raul Rusescu 34 [Steaua] (Sevilla), Bogdan Stancu 30 (Genclerbirligi)

curently, several are constantly reserves at their team (situation HU players know as well), and some without a team yet
Pantilimon played every game for City in the League Cup, the only reason they made it that far is because of him (before dropping him in the final because he said he wanted to leave). He was world class against teams like Chelsea and saved their asses. He's much better than Hart, but sadly he's English and will get the pick any day. He should have moved to Fiorentina this summer, although they promised him league games this season. He also pulled off amazing saves vs. Bayern in the Audi Cup.

Don't worry though, he won't be starter since he hasn't gotten enough minutes. Tatarusanu will be.

Nica is a starter at Atalanta btw. Paul Papp seems to be taking that role this season too, he was overlooked last season because Chievo's squad is huge and their management is dumb. Rat will get himself in there as well, he's an important player and I doubt they would have signed him for nothing. Torje plays well for the NT regardless and will find himself a new team soon.

Maxim is by no means a reserve player for Stuttgart (edit: just realized you weren't talking about him specifically), in fact, he is their star player and the fans love him. He did some incredible moves against Bayern in the Cup final last season and people around the world were fascinated (it seemed so on twitter anyway). He also got two assists in three games so far this season, just came back from vaca a little fat, but he's still there. All of the strikers you mentioned will be important to their respective teams this season as well. I just have a problem with that 'genius' Marica not finding a club.

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I'm sorry but this is so wrong... Mutu is actually still a great player, last season he should have had 20+ goals in Ligue 1 but got unlucky hitting the woodwork a lot, and still managed to score 11. I've seen him this season so far as well, and he's still an important player for his team in France and should definitely be at least called as backup for the NT, although imo he should be starter. He is still a big player, at least for scoring goals and having that extra touch of class.

As for our defense, I wouldn't say it's 'vulnerable' and weak at all, and most certainly not as weak as the Hungarian defence.

As for the midfield, we have too many to even consider.. sadly Piturca hasn't given enough chances to some of them that could be starters easily, but there is a lot of depth here.

So much creativity and quality here it's not even funny... it's a shame we have Piturca as coach, else we'd have tried 3 or 4 different midfields in friendlies and could have been successful each time.

Now for the strikers, this is definitely our weakest area at the moment, but there are definitely very decent/good options available, Piturca just doesn't use them.

Even without a complete Romania, and one coached under Piturca, we are still a dangerous side and are no way a team that Hungary should be overlooking...
I don't think that anyone in their right mind would takes this game lightly, except some drunk fan in a kocsma or an youtube comment section fighter. But can we stick with the teams available, not the possible, ideal, fantasy Ro or Hun or Ger or Brazil teams? I never understand this fantasy talk - what if... we could.. if only HUszti... baloney. The team is the team called up, with the coach in charge, and the tactics (or lack thereof) employed.

ROmanian defense is terribly vulnerable, not on paper, but in fact. This is not an unfavorable comparison with Hu NT defense, whose problems are well-advertised, although in fantasy football one could say, but wait ROli is so tall and intelligent and internationally versed, and Korcsmar serious and determined, and Kadara, and Vili, and other such nonsense. Fact is, what it is - what was shown on the field. I am glad Netherlands NT exists, to act as a bucket of water on the fans' hot brains. But what if, could have been, if only, the referee... No. 0:4 at home is a clinical diagnosis of defense and team work, applied by a specialist doctor from the Low Countries. But if only, a different coach, I know a player who could be called up... and it was a bad day... Reality is the game played on the field.

That reality is that Hu-Ro was 2:2, after a game in which Hu would have deserved to win. The same objective reality is that in Bucharest, Romania has the first chance, naturally given the home advantage, and in foci terms bc of the Hu defensive system holes. That's just the way it is.

Nobody knows what the game will bring, until the day of the game. But I would not be surprised by a RO win, bc of the defense. But the lack of tactics, of a consistent team and style, the individualist way in which phases are constructed in the RO team (similar to Tur), the lack of play at many Ro players working abroad, and the same vulnerable defense that played in Bp and Dutchland, combined with an ever-dangerous attack on Hu NT (the strength of this team), their un-natural enthusiasm and , thankfully, thankfully, excellent atmosphere at the team and (sometimes) dedication, gives some hope to Hu fans.

I still say that Ro has the first chance, because of what I mentioned, and of course talented players (even if many are somewhat neglected at club now), and teh fact that they will be very motivated. But this RO team is suffering, suffering, from not being an actual team (in footballing/tactical terms). This Piturca randomness and lack of continuity, backed by the same at FA level, is very destabilizing. Same with Tur, individually talented players, but not a team (tactically).

Ok, but did I say or did I not say that Ro has clearly the first chance in this game? It does. The rest will be decided not on forums, but in 90 minutes, on grass (not that grass, Mutu).

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I can list here the HU Nt problems: defensive rigidity, some players who are reserves or moving (Koman, Korcsmar, Pinter), all too many NB1 players (terrible), lack of a second-striker currently (who is essential for Szalai and for finishing creativity), not always playing their style (not having developed an inerrant consistency in playing the short- and quick-passing game that fits them) etc. Just to be clear. Plenty of problems. Plus last games have been draws, and draws again. As I said, this team might have reached a ceiling.

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I don't think that anyone in their right mind would takes this game lightly, except some drunk fan in a kocsma or an youtube comment section fighter. But can we stick with the teams available, not the possible, ideal, fantasy Ro or Hun or Ger or Brazil teams? I never understand this fantasy talk - what if... we could.. if only HUszti... baloney. The team is the team called up, with the coach in charge, and the tactics (or lack thereof) employed.

ROmanian defense is terribly vulnerable, not on paper, but in fact. This is not an unfavorable comparison with Hu NT defense, whose problems are well-advertised, although in fantasy football one could say, but wait ROli is so tall and intelligent and internationally versed, and Korcsmar serious and determined, and Kadara, and Vili, and other such nonsense. Fact is, what it is - what was shown on the field. I am glad Netherlands NT exists, to act as a bucket of water on the fans' hot brains. But what if, could have been, if only, the referee... No. 0:4 at home is a clinical diagnosis of defense and team work, applied by a specialist doctor from the Low Countries. But if only, a different coach, I know a player who could be called up... and it was a bad day... Reality is the game played on the field.

That reality is that Hu-Ro was 2:2, after a game in which Hu would have deserved to win. The same objective reality is that in Bucharest, Romania has the first chance, naturally given the home advantage, and in foci terms bc of the Hu defensive system holes. That's just the way it is.

Nobody knows what the game will bring, until the day of the game. But I would not be surprised by a RO win, bc of the defense. But the lack of tactics, of a consistent team and style, the individualist way in which phases are constructed in the RO team (similar to Tur), the lack of play at many Ro players working abroad, and the same vulnerable defense that played in Bp and Dutchland, combined with an ever-dangerous attack on Hu NT (the strength of this team), their un-natural enthusiasm and , thankfully, thankfully, excellent atmosphere at the team and (sometimes) dedication, gives some hope to Hu fans.

I still say that Ro has the first chance, because of what I mentioned, and of course talented players (even if many are somewhat neglected at club now), and teh fact that they will be very motivated. But this RO team is suffering, suffering, from not being an actual team (in footballing/tactical terms). This Piturca randomness and lack of continuity, backed by the same at FA level, is very destabilizing. Same with Tur, individually talented players, but not a team (tactically).

Ok, but did I say or did I not say that Ro has clearly the first chance in this game? It does. The rest will be decided not on forums, but in 90 minutes, on grass (not that grass, Mutu).

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Fair enough, you make good points. As you can tell I'm just very frustrated at our situation (as I guess you probably are too) and the EE mentality. I guess it's brought me to the point where I've lost my sanity, always saying 'what if' and cursing at Piturca and the player for their stupidity... when all the matters is the result, true.

Anyway, you're right, without any change in the system and discipline, teams like Turkey, Romania, and Hungary will continue to suffer from such issues. On the pitch, the game could go either way... and I guess it's best to leave it that way until the game arrives. Thanks for the virtual slap

Gera hasn't retired for the NT yet though? Heard he re-signed a contract with the Baggies. Obviously he won't be there for the Romania game since he is so unfit.

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Cool. Yes, Gera is still the captain of the Nt, but he is just recovering from a long injury. He will start playing for the Baggies in about four weeks, and is scheduled to be back on Nt for the OCtober games.

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Cool. Yes, Gera is still the captain of the Nt, but he is just recovering from a long injury. He will start playing for the Baggies in about four weeks, and is scheduled to be back on Nt for the OCtober games.
I see, so he'll be there for the big game vs. Holland... I wonder how they will play if they are already 100% sure of qualifying. It's unlike the Dutch to go easy on anyone, especially at home, although they might try some of their younger players (they already have done so actually). Andorra should be an easy win as well as the Estonia game.

Anyway, next two games are vital for both teams, could be theoretically decided in September.

I really rate Dzsudzsak, Bode, and Szalai btw, they are the guys our defence needs to watch out for.

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Well said Ente, that was a good read

I'm really looking forward to this match, I wish some bar in Toronto would show this game.... In my dreams

Hagibest, how long is Marica out for? What's going on with him btw. Last I heard he had no club?
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