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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old May 19th, 2019, 15:40 Thread Starter
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Everyone Overrated Zidane (as a manager)

Brilliant players generally can't be great coaches (his locker room talks are simplistic as evidenced by Real-Juve CL final). All he did was ride Ronaldo to European and Liga glory nothing more nothing less.
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It was too early to rate him as a good manager with the team he had. It's too early to rate him as a bad one too.
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The problem is higher up in the past season. Florentino Pérez didn't want to invest money because he looked to secure his legacy as a Madrid-president by renovating the stadium. Zidane knew this and left. Madrid are about to undergo a generational switch. Every great team has to do this. They didn't replace their best goalscorer during their existence either.

It'll probably take them 1-2 years to rebuild properly. That's normal.

Zidane is showing signs of fatigue after his return though. Who wouldn't with their current squad of players? They're just not ready to do the job properly to win games and have some players who haven't been up to the needed quality.

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seems like mbappé will sign to real next season. wait and see.

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seems like mbappé will sign to real next season. wait and see.

Already denied by PSG.

If anyone leaves will be Neymar i think, who is useless and overrated...
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ZZ will not last through winter, anyone who's seen his joke locker room talks knows this guy was just coattail riding nothing more.

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They begged him to return now dont want him....plastic

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ZZ will not last through winter, anyone who's seen his joke locker room talks knows this guy was just coattail riding nothing more.
Exactly how godly were RM players to win 3 consecutive CLs with a shit coach?

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Exactly how godly were RM players to win 3 consecutive CLs with a shit coach?
They won three with Ronaldo there and every other major European team being on a down slope.

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is there a vid for that locker room speech?

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post #13 of 40 (permalink) Old August 4th, 2019, 02:30 Thread Starter
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yea look up real-juve Cl final half time talk, ridiculous how simplistic it was. I could have given that advice lol.

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Lol what?

That's good calm management. This isn't Dream Team or Any Given Sunday.

It's a half-time team talk, the team obviously knows what to do as they've been preparing all week. He's pointed out the stuff that needs pointing out.

And it worked didn't it lol. It was 1-1 at HT and they won 4-1.

That vid just proves management in football is also how you come across, your demeanour, the way you relay your messages etc. Zidane is clearly the man at that.
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Anyone and their mother can give that speech, please. No tactical nuance at all gtfo.

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It's a half time speech, it's 1-1 vs Juve. What tactical changes are you expecting?

You've been watching Mighty Ducks too many times.

Zidane manages Real Madrid, the clear best team in the World by some margin in 2017. They won the CL the year previous. Real have been the best team for a few years.

He gives a clear message of superiority during the talk of how to exploit a shitter team lol. And it works, they win 4-1.

It's not a Rafa 2005 vs Milan job.
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I think people greatly overestimate the amount of tactics that goes in to a halftime team talk. Most of that is done in training. Trying to go into complex tactics at half time is just going to confuse everyone

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Half-time is to make a few small tweaks and occasionally to motivate a team that is looking flat and needs a kick up the arse.

Also worth noting that in most cases, only the last one or two instructions given actually stick, which makes a 10-minute speech almost utterly useful.

That he gave them ~7 minutes to talk amongst themselves was also a very good move - it gives the players an opportunity to express their thoughts and get things off their chests. Nothing left in the back of their minds to distract them when the manager comes back in to give them the few tactical instructions that matter.

Not a great half-time talk, but certainly a lot of subtle things about it that simply worked and worked well.

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