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There is said to be millions of writers in this world and only a couple of hundreds that came make a living on it. Do anyone here aspire to be a writer? I am and have come some way in writing fantasy stories. I may give you some snippets later.

Some tips? How do you approach writing? What you find difficult? Are you a perfectionist?
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I am perfect, not a perfectionist...
Anyways, I write, I like to think I may be a writer. Nothing to do with gaining money with that (anyways, a lot to do with living) and publishing a book.
What is difficult? Revewing the story just after I finished it, revewing it later years after. Knowining it is not just good enough. The rest is quite easy.

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I've always felt I could write great books. I simply can't bother with it, too much effort

Maybe one day...

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Here's some technical notes. I skip over the *why* part because, most often, a writer begins to write for absolutely no reasons at all.

Keeping a notebook (not necessary to have a fancy spiral bound item, at times a stack of napkins will do): write down short (or long) passages of people I encounter in the course of a day; of the city streets (as if my pen is a camera); of the partial conversations overheard at the ATM queue. When the notebook is filled, perhaps the structure of a shortstory is formed.

Difficulties? Things become difficult when wonderful phrases come to you in your dreams. Therefore it is utmost important to keep a laptop or a pencil near the bed.

Another difficulty is how and when to end a perfect story.

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I started writing a fictional story 15 years ago... and stopped writing it 14 years and 11 months ago.

I only finished the first few pages. It took too long to write down the things I had in mind, so I got bored with it.

I've also had the idea to write a book about my experiences as an auditor. Throughout the years I've seen some pretty bizarre things and met some pretty odd people, that it would make for some quite amazing stories. The problem is all the people and businesses in that book would be real, so I would have quite a few privacy and legal concerns. I could of course write it about fictional people and companies, but then it wouldn't be quite so interesting.

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I write because I have so many stories in my head. I have so many ideas. To actually sit and write comes easy to me, but I always end up wanting to edit my work and add mroe parts. This makes it look like a neverending work.

If I just had money and no work, then I would easily be able to write a 600 page book per year. Those circumstances isn't really mirroring my present situation
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If your first book is an international hit such as Harry Potter, you'll have enough money to continue writing books for the rest of your life.

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If your first book is an international hit such as Harry Potter, you'll have enough money to continue writing books for the rest of your life.
I been thinking about that concept and I know why it works. the publishers that said no to Rowling had no concept of what sells. Harry Potter works by the same concept as Narnia, a concept that kids just love. No doubt about it. all about the possibility of them travelling to a "wonderful" magic fantasy world with dream creatures. "Weave of fionavar" (think the name was) and books about thomas covenant worked by the same concept, but wasn't aimed at kids as much.
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You can also appeal to the best-seller trailler stuff - there is mistery, pick a famous historical figure but with a obscure past, claim that this figure is actually something very different, use some obscure source of research with vague academic credentials (one XT expert for example) , mix with some unlikely controvertial claim specially related to religion or some nation, create an enigma and voillá.
Or you can just write some pretentious self-help book where life is just a box of chocolate filled with oriental touches. All of this is success.

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Or you can just write some pretentious self-help book where life is just a box of chocolate filled with oriental touches. All of this is success.
Ah, yes. That has helped so many people. To get rich, I mean. So many self nominated 'experts' who 'started out as a working Joe' until they discovered the mysteries of life and enlightenment hit them right in the forehead. Now they're writing books about it and touring to spread the wealth. Well, not the financial wealth exactly.

In fact, with so many people from all walks of life writing books you should hardly feel intimidated, Johan.

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"How To Find Peace of Mind, Wealth and Happiness by Writing Self-improvement Books" by Luther Blissett

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Don't forget the book signing event, those are a hoot.

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Ah, yes. That has helped so many people. To get rich, I mean. So many self nominated 'experts' who 'started out as a working Joe' until they discovered the mysteries of life and enlightenment hit them right in the forehead. Now they're writing books about it and touring to spread the wealth. Well, not the financial wealth exactly.

In fact, with so many people from all walks of life writing books you should hardly feel intimidated, Johan.

Yes, anyone can write a book. That is a bit of a tragedy or a comedy, depends the side of the street where you walk.

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You can also appeal to the best-seller trailler stuff - there is mistery, pick a famous historical figure but with a obscure past, claim that this figure is actually something very different, use some obscure source of research with vague academic credentials (one XT expert for example) , mix with some unlikely controvertial claim specially related to religion or some nation, create an enigma and voillá.
Or you can just write some pretentious self-help book where life is just a box of chocolate filled with oriental touches. All of this is success.
All very solid ideas but the key to hobby writing is to enjoy it. Sure, I would enjoy a overfull account too, but I am sure there are like two million copycats following above formula... Maybe I should write a book about how to succeed in copying some else work.
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Who says you can't enjoy being a scammer? I bet 80% of all spammers say they feel happy in their job and feel they are making a difference in the world.

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I have no doubt that 90% of novel/romance writers will say that they enjoy it (10% will say that they suffer for art) but I really bet most deal with that as any worker do, they can do it without getting very annoyed, domain the formula, etc. But the big deal is : enjoying your work is not something that bring quality (or take it away). Formulas are not bad- Literature have a handfull of formulas. The thing is only using them when it is needed as safeboat.

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I been thinking about that concept and I know why it works. the publishers that said no to Rowling had no concept of what sells. Harry Potter works by the same concept as Narnia, a concept that kids just love. No doubt about it. all about the possibility of them travelling to a "wonderful" magic fantasy world with dream creatures. "Weave of fionavar" (think the name was) and books about thomas covenant worked by the same concept, but wasn't aimed at kids as much.
Absolutely. And even adults like the wonderous fantasy world of those books. Me too. Although I personally like to make my own story, hence my love of open role playing games such as Morrowind. But it is the same basic idea.

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Johan,

Is this going to be in English? Lets start by allowing us to read an example of your craft, does not need to be from your novel.

how strange it is to be anything at all
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Is this going to be in English? Lets start by allowing us to read an example of your craft, does not need to be from your novel.
Yes it's in English. I could put some out when I am happy with some parts. Or possible something from my old work that I discontinued.
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There is said to be millions of writers in this world and only a couple of hundreds that came make a living on it. Do anyone here aspire to be a writer? I am and have come some way in writing fantasy stories. I may give you some snippets later.

Some tips? How do you approach writing? What you find difficult? Are you a perfectionist?
I wouldn't say it's something I've paid serious thought. I do enjoy writing and would like to find work someday which involves it, but I've never set out to write a book, truly. What I have found is that it's easier for me to construct non-fiction [my life] to fiction [those silly vampire stories p].

Actually, once I did try and write a fictional story that was based on my life, and I didn't enjoy it as yes, I kept niggling over this and that, whether I was overusing the word, etc [that's one thing, I'm a freak when it comes to using as diverse a vocab as possible].

I keep forgetting stuff. This September comes The Age Short Story Competition. In the past I've had designs on being an entrant but never got around to it. Perhaps it will be this year.

I'm sorry I couldn't offer you anything useful.

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