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does anybody here read this genre? Which are your favourite authors/books?

oh, harry potter books does not define this genre That is stuff to pass the time for lack of other options(i have not paid for one book)

I enjoy reading books especially from T.Goodkind(Sword of Truth), R.Hobb(Assassin books), K.Kerr(Deverry series), R.Jordan(Wheel of Time)
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I used to read quite a lot of fantasy.

Hobb, David Eddings, Pratchett, Jordan etc. But they kind of got boring when many of them are so cliché. The poor peasant-boy/orphant/or whatever is supposed to save the world according to some prophecy. Along comes an old powerful magician and takes the boy under his wings to prepare him for the final battle...

I've limited myself to George R R Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" now. Still the fantasy genre but a bit different than most of the stuff I've read. The characters are more complex than just being limited to being good or evil, and the supernatural stuff is toned down. It's somewhat inspired by the Wars of the roses and is more about political powerstruggles than defeating some "Lord of the Dark"-character.

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I get your meaning, some just can't stand the usual stuff. But there are authors like George R.R Martin who limit their books about such things - though they are few. I loved the characters in "A Song of Ice and Fire", I just thought the story a bit.. brutal
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Try Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen, it's a huuuge story (10 volumes), 7 written thus far but it's not cliche or for young adults. It's a dark and often gloomy series like Martin's but events are on a bigger scale.

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There is one which stands out. It was an option given by a school, I can't remember what exactly but certain corresponding tasks must of stood beside it at the completion of the term, perhaps. Anyway, it's called "The Red King" by Victor Kelleher.

The Red King is a figure who controls the region in question with a virus: all who oppose him are infected. Then, along comes a varied group with varying motivations to remove him from his seat of power. A thief who desires for his gold; an acrobat who seeks revenge after the death of her master and trainer; and a bear and monkey, companions of the thief. They all have their special talents as they set about their quest.

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Have you tried her other fantasy series like Liveship Traders?
I read two of the books in The Soldier Son trilogy, I liked them well enough - but not as much as Assassin books. I have been meaning to read Liveship Traders, is it a good series?
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Am I allowed to consider Iliad, Odissey, Dante's Comedy and pretty much all literature as fantasy ?

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David Frigging Gemmell

He does more a bit of heroic fantasy. The warrior stuff, and not the all tedious magical and supernatural stuff. He ofcourse mix some of that in, but its alot about regular heroic warriors and ze event etc (usually ancient sword and shield fantasy, but his best IMO is his alternative cowboy western fantasy, The Jon Shannow series, brilliant). Not only that, but magic elements are a small part.

His stuff is similar to my fav genere, historical fiction, its basically alternative history kinda stuff, just with different names for locations and people Nah that simple, but its clearly based on some parts of our histories and empires, with a great twist etc. He ofcourse does a little historical fiction too. His Alexander the great suff in Lion of Macedon and Dark Prince is the best on Alexander (also done Troy stuff that rather uniquely great).

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David Frigging Gemmell

He does more a bit of heroic fantasy. The warrior stuff, and not the all tedious magical and supernatural stuff. He ofcourse mix some of that in, but its alot about regular heroic warriors and ze event etc (usually ancient sword and shield fantasy, but his best IMO is his alternative cowboy western fantasy, The Jon Shannow series, brilliant). Not only that, but magic elements are a small part.

His stuff is similar to my fav genere, historical fiction, its basically alternative history kinda stuff, just with different names for locations and people Nah that simple, but its clearly based on some parts of our histories and empires, with a great twist etc. He ofcourse does a little historical fiction too. His Alexander the great suff in Lion of Macedon and Dark Prince is the best on Alexander (also done Troy stuff that rather uniquely great).

Gemmell is/was(didn't he pass away recently?) a very good author, but many of his books doesn't seem to be for me p I read "Legend", while I liked the story well enough, I was disappointed to notice it was pretty much a "stand alone" book. I prefer series - to keep reading about the same characters for at least a few books, not just stick to one(Druss)

I might try out his historical fantasy stuff though, I'm interested in historical fiction as well, but it's a pity it's such a small genre. Pretty much the only books I have read are Conn Igguldens Emperor books
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Hehe, Conn is the man (read the new Ghengis Khan series or only the Caesar ones? Btw there are many great historical fiction, we have a thread for it here) The new Gemmell in a sense, even he does Historical fiction, him and Gemmell are similar in that they do heroic warrior books first and foremost so the different genres doesnt matter (its a small leap), but mostly because they the same personal and reviting style of telling a tale.


Gemmells books are great for what they are, but they are simplistic, but in a good way. Its about a set of characters and you know their journey, because the journey of a hero is predictable, but still a great one.


If you like series (like I do too), then DG is defenitely your man Legend is anything but a stand alone book The whole series:

Drenai Series

* Legend (1984) (Originally published in the USA as Against the Horde, re-released as Legend)
* The King Beyond the Gate (1985)
* Waylander (1986)
* Quest for Lost Heroes (1990)
* Waylander II: In the Realm of the Wolf (1992)
* The First Chronicles of Druss the Legend (1993)
* The Legend of Deathwalker (1996)
* Winter Warriors (1996)
* Hero in the Shadows (2000)
* White Wolf (2003)
* The Swords of Night and Day (2004)


DG basically does alot of series. That above one is called The Drenai series (his other popular one is called Rigante, and theres Shannow too, but thats short, but great), he does them in an interesting way too because its mainly set in the same world, but have many different main characters (for example, one character can be the main character in one book, buta bit part one in the next). And time lines too, you get to see Druss as a teenager becoming the hero he became in several books, instead of the old man in the first one.

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I absolutely hate series. If they are not by dead authors or least that the series is finished.

Waiting for lazy ass writers like George R R Martin to get his books done is tiresome. Well not lazy ass really, more like he's got too many other time consuming projects on his hand. Or writers like Robert Jordan who after a somewhat promising beginning to a series decides to milk it for all it's worth.

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I have been meaning to read Liveship Traders, is it a good series?
Well, I ended up liking it even more than the Farseer series (Assassin books), so yes.

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Or writers like Robert Jordan who after a somewhat promising beginning to a series decides to milk it for all it's worth.
He milked it for so long that he ended up dead before finishing the final book...

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Try Gore Vidale. Or Guy Gavriel Kay - he writes books which are marketed as fantasy but are basically historical fiction with the changed names of countries and somewhat changed history.

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Hehe, Conn is the man (read the new Ghengis Khan series or only the Caesar ones? Btw there are many great historical fiction, we have a thread for it here) The new Gemmell in a sense, even he does Historical fiction, him and Gemmell are similar in that they do heroic warrior books first and foremost so the different genres doesnt matter (its a small leap), but mostly because they the same personal and reviting style of telling a tale.
Only Caesar so far, will probably check out Ghengis Khan eventually, but there are a great many books I'd like to read right now, and the series doesnt seem complete yet(?) so it can wait

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Gemmells books are great for what they are, but they are simplistic, but in a good way. Its about a set of characters and you know their journey, because the journey of a hero is predictable, but still a great one.


If you like series (like I do too), then DG is defenitely your man Legend is anything but a stand alone book The whole series:

Drenai Series

* Legend (1984) (Originally published in the USA as Against the Horde, re-released as Legend)
* The King Beyond the Gate (1985)
* Waylander (1986)
* Quest for Lost Heroes (1990)
* Waylander II: In the Realm of the Wolf (1992)
* The First Chronicles of Druss the Legend (1993)
* The Legend of Deathwalker (1996)
* Winter Warriors (1996)
* Hero in the Shadows (2000)
* White Wolf (2003)
* The Swords of Night and Day (2004)


DG basically does alot of series. That above one is called The Drenai series (his other popular one is called Rigante, and theres Shannow too, but thats short, but great), he does them in an interesting way too because its mainly set in the same world, but have many different main characters (for example, one character can be the main character in one book, buta bit part one in the next). And time lines too, you get to see Druss as a teenager becoming the hero he became in several books, instead of the old man in the first one.
I must have got the wrong impression about it. I might re-read Legend then and continue the series
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Try Gore Vidale. Or Guy Gavriel Kay - he writes books which are marketed as fantasy but are basically historical fiction with the changed names of countries and somewhat changed history.
About Gore Vidal...

I've only read a non-fictional book of his. Does he have a somewhat peculiar way of constructing his sentences or did I just happen to get hold of a crappy translation?

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I absolutely hate series. If they are not by dead authors or least that the series is finished.

Waiting for lazy ass writers like George R R Martin to get his books done is tiresome. Well not lazy ass really, more like he's got too many other time consuming projects on his hand. Or writers like Robert Jordan who after a somewhat promising beginning to a series decides to milk it for all it's worth.

They are a pest in high fantasy series, that pop out crap books of 20-30 long series like a frigging gum machine.


But in general, I like series, the kind of series I read have never gotten over 8-9 books. And they are never either tedious high fantasy crap that only wants to milk it to no end. DG doesnt do that, his Shannow series are 3 books, shortest, Drenai 10 who is the longest (they are a series in very loose terms though, they have mostly in common some characters and the world setting, but usually quite stand alone books).

I havent read Robert Jordan, but yeah he extremely milked it, 36 books was it? But good thing with him I heard from several fans, that even if some are quite crap, they are generally good, even if unnecessary long. But there are MANY crap high fantasy writers who seriously have 20-30 books long series of all crap, but they sell like him. Cliche fantasy stuff that is milked to death.


P.S Rake, Gore Vidals fantasy sounds like David Gemmell kinda fantasy, pretty much historical fiction with different names.

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Only Caesar so far, will probably check out Ghengis Khan eventually, but there are a great many books I'd like to read right now, and the series doesnt seem complete yet(?) so it can wait



I must have got the wrong impression about it. I might re-read Legend then and continue the series

Caesar, all books? They are great. I was fortunate to start reading the series when he was on the 3rd book, just had to wait some months for the 4th. But now with the Ghengis one, its supposed to be 5 books, and sadly one will have to wait for every book for a year, instead of discover it when the series is complete like Caesars.

Yeah there are many Historical fictions out there, so no hurry in the Ghenghis series. But lets just say his writing in that one is MIIIIIILES better then in Caesar.

And whats most interesting in the Drenai/legend series is this....its so uniquely built up. As you noticed in the Legend book, he really doesnt do simple one character you follow story, but has 20 characters who are all interesting. Well thats how this series is, even if you see the main reaccuring characters in different times, and importance for the story (at times small roles, others just cameos etc)...its mainly about quite different characters in this series. Lke for example, without spoiling it for you...the second book after Legend is 100 years after the events of Legend, and quite interesting in depicting the struggles the grandchildren of the Legend characters

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I've only read a non-fictional book of his. Does he have a somewhat peculiar way of constructing his sentences or did I just happen to get hold of a crappy translation?
Dunno, I have read his books translated and they are very easy to read in Bulgarian, without sounding too simplistic. I think I have read some essays of his online and don't recall weird sentences. Maybe his style is just not your cup of tea? Or maybe the translation jsut sucked.

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I havent read Robert Jordan, but yeah he extremely milked it, 36 books was it?
No, he managed to write only 11, plus two novella sized prequels. But some of the volumes are like 900 pages long. The problem with him is that the latter books are way worse than the first, if they were so crappy to begin with, few people would have cared.

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Caesar, all books? They are great. I was fortunate to start reading the series when he was on the 3rd book, just had to wait some months for the 4th. But now with the Ghengis one, its supposed to be 5 books, and sadly one will have to wait for every book for a year, instead of discover it when the series is complete like Caesars.

Yeah there are many Historical fictions out there, so no hurry in the Ghenghis series. But lets just say his writing in that one is MIIIIIILES better then in Caesar.

And whats most interesting in the Drenai/legend series is this....its so uniquely built up. As you noticed in the Legend book, he really doesnt do simple one character you follow story, but has 20 characters who are all interesting. Well thats how this series is, even if you see the main reaccuring characters in different times, and importance for the story (at times small roles, others just cameos etc)...its mainly about quite different characters in this series. Lke for example, without spoiling it for you...the second book after Legend is 100 years after the events of Legend, and quite interesting in depicting the struggles the grandchildren of the Legend characters
Yeah I have read all Caesar books, I thought it was a trilogy at first but luckily the 4th book came shortly after.

About Drenai; Though stories are probably much different the idea of it sound much like Katherine Kerr's Deverry, going back in many timelines. Do you pick up where you left off in some books?



About Robert Jordan. There arent that many books. But all pages considered - you could say Jordan has written about 20 to 30 books though
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As a rule I always read the books in the original language - if they are either swedish or english that is I dont want to worry about translations
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