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post #361 of 409 (permalink) Old September 25th, 2018, 12:43
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General rule in tennis, if you cannot protect yourself, stay away from the net. In singles it is hardly possible to hit your opponent unless they have a really bad approach or bad volley prior to your shot.

In doubles you have to aim at the person, otherwise you will never win. Unethical not even in mixed. I have hit plenty of ladies in the past year. However having said that, body, arms and legs are always 100% fair game while I never intentially go for head. I think I might have only hit heads once or twice at all.

I took quite a few to my head from partners on serving, which is unbelievable to me. I could never aim that bad to hit my partner (except in I formation of course). Also took a shot to the balls once when being at the net. Was down for a while.
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Also as you mentioned already, if you aim at the head (and hard enough obviously for the opponent to not be able to react, otherwise it would be a putaway), the shot will go out if you don’t hit the opponent. So that is either a bad shot or really malicious intent.
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Did anyone see much of the Laver Cup? I've been reading some mixed reactions, some positive while others coming down hard on the over the top celebrations...

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Did anyone see much of the Laver Cup? I've been reading some mixed reactions, some positive while others coming down hard on the over the top celebrations...
Honestly, I don't follow Laver Cup at all. I think the idea is kind of cheesy. On the other hand Davis Cup I feel is more competitive depending on the players and the year. Some years it might be a let down because players have priorities. But when top talent play another team and players both need experience early in their careers, it makes for some awesome matches.

But to hear that there were over the top celebrations from any side is pretty sad. You can think of it like a fun exhibition/charity kind of event. The Laver Cup is not a big achievement at all
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Interesting question guys. Do you think it is ethically right/wrong to aim the ball at someone? This is a discussion that pops up when it comes to the ATP as well as all levels of competitive tennis. I mean, if someone approaches the net to attempt to volley you, should the swinger have the right to aim it at the body? I'll say yes since it could end the point right there and give you a strong advantage. It can make it unpredictable and also make it difficult for the opponent to respond sometimes. Kind of like the body serve which is commonly accepted. But I guess if someone is approaching the net and you intentionally aim for the face/head, in that case IMHO it would be unethical since your shot is obviously off and there's some malice or intentional harm involved.
I would say yes as well mainly because of how the rules were thought of, so why not exploit them? Bending the rules a bit by allowing yourself to be defended with anything else besides your racquet would at least minimize intentional shots to the body imo.

While we at it, what's your opinion on players apologizing when the ball hits the net and rolls over with a fortunate bounce to win them ultimately the point? It annoys the hell out of me seeing them lift their hand up to apologize. It's part of the game ffs
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I apologize for pretty much everything. Net cords, hitting the lines, miss hits that end up difficult to reach and so on.

I also say "good shot" or "too good" on any decent winner from the opponent.

But then again on the amateurish level I play at you have a lot of communication going on anyway. Not uncommon to talk to your opponent during changeovers. That last one doesn't happen all the time though, you can meet players who take their tennis very seriously.

While I always want to win, I mostly enjoy the socialising aspect as well. I take defeats quite well I think. Maybe because I know I am a shit player anyway.

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Osaka has been in great form since the US Open, credit to her for moving on from that storm. Sabalenka is another player on fire. I caught a video of her and I was pleased to see that she's toned down the intensity of her grunting, at least from what I heard. I can see these two players really dominating the WTA in the years to come.

Bernard Tomic won a ATP 250 title in Chengdu, against Fognini. He was visibly emotional at the end. I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'm honestly happy for him. He had to work really hard for this, staving off 4 mps in the final. I think it's his first title in about three years. He's been working his way through challenger events earlier in the year, too. Would be nice if he finally starts being professional with his career.

Kyrgios also got himself a coach, I forget his name, but He's an American active on the doubles circuit.

De Minaur is also close to eclipsing Nick as the no. 1 ranked Aussie player. Amazing year he's had.

There's a real baby boom going on btw. Anna Chakvetadze gave birth recently, as did Elena Vesnina, and Yaroslava Shvedova gave birth to twins.

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I would say yes as well mainly because of how the rules were thought of, so why not exploit them? Bending the rules a bit by allowing yourself to be defended with anything else besides your racquet would at least minimize intentional shots to the body imo.

While we at it, what's your opinion on players apologizing when the ball hits the net and rolls over with a fortunate bounce to win them ultimately the point? It annoys the hell out of me seeing them lift their hand up to apologize. It's part of the game ffs
I agree with you on this one. It annoys the heck out of me as well. Yeah, it is an unusual part of the game. I guess it is just some kind of soft unspoken rule that they expect players to follow. I guess to maintain civility in the game. I remember there was a match I think involving Tsitsipas and Medvedev and the former refused to apologize over similar incidents and Medvedev snapped at him, attacking his mannerism, personal etiquette, etc. Personally, if a player doesn't apologize, I don't think the opponent should lose their cool over it. These situations are accidental anyways. Luck factor involved and sometimes it makes the game more interesting.
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Osaka has been in great form since the US Open, credit to her for moving on from that storm. Sabalenka is another player on fire. I caught a video of her and I was pleased to see that she's toned down the intensity of her grunting, at least from what I heard. I can see these two players really dominating the WTA in the years to come.

Bernard Tomic won a ATP 250 title in Chengdu, against Fognini. He was visibly emotional at the end. I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'm honestly happy for him. He had to work really hard for this, staving off 4 mps in the final. I think it's his first title in about three years. He's been working his way through challenger events earlier in the year, too. Would be nice if he finally starts being professional with his career.

Kyrgios also got himself a coach, I forget his name, but He's an American active on the doubles circuit.

De Minaur is also close to eclipsing Nick as the no. 1 ranked Aussie player. Amazing year he's had.

There's a real baby boom going on btw. Anna Chakvetadze gave birth recently, as did Elena Vesnina, and Yaroslava Shvedova gave birth to twins.
The situations involving the Aussie players are all different it seems. In the case of Tomic, I think it is somewhat of a physical limitation. I'd just classify him as a player that's simply not quick enough and his legs seem stiff and the movement isn't there. I think after that early hip injury in his career, he's never been the same and has become worse as a result. He's kind of stuck as a servebot, unfortunately. Other big men like Cilic, Del Potro have always been amazing movers. But some like Tomic, Querrey and many others haven't been able to find results. But Kachanov is a great mover for a big man and interesting to see how his career progresses. Nick has more talent and better movement than Tomic obviously but his problem as always is mental/psychological. Unfortunately, I think his problem seems bigger than I thought it would be. He's still very young, only 23, but from the looks of it I don't think he can do serious damage in the slams anymore. Maybe win a masters and some of the other ATP titles. But as far as De Minaur is concerned. If he puts in the work ethic, brings in a good coaching staff, trainer, and doesn't give up or get distracted outside of court. He'll have his chances. His performance against Cilic was a bit of a surprise and I personally enjoyed that match. I just hope he can replicate similar kinds of results next year and in the coming years. For sure he'll probably overtake Nick as Australia's #1. I just hope to see him get better results than Tomic and Kyrgios eventually.
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A. Zverev "I compete with Federer and Djokovic for the Slams"

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A. Zverev "I compete with Federer and Djokovic for the Slams"

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LOL, don't get me started on German players again...

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Tiger, do you think it's easy to cheat in tennis in order to make money with bets and get away with it?
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I have no idea. I have never looked into betting myself, so I wouldn't know the mechanisms of betting in any sports. Or the control mechanisms for that matter.

Wasn't there something about Davydenko back in the day? Or do I remember it wrong?

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Yeah he did.

Purposely threw a match or matches.
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I have no idea. I have never looked into betting myself, so I wouldn't know the mechanisms of betting in any sports. Or the control mechanisms for that matter.

Wasn't there something about Davydenko back in the day? Or do I remember it wrong?
Yep Davydenko had a pretty bad rep for it, not sure if he did this at the majors though, maybe just smaller events on the ATP. Even some opponents noticed it like Baghdatis. Marco Cecchinato allegedly has been known in the past for it as well. It is more common though in the lower levels than at the ATP which will fine them if caught and even worse probably ban them for long stretches of time.
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https://twitter.com/TennisTV/status/...3702.bild.html

He is an idiot but the ballkid is a wimp.

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Ah, Zverev did nothing wrong there IMO.

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Coric 2 zip this year against Federer. Pretty good. He put on a serving clinic today. The closest that Federer managed to do was 30-30. I was honestly surprised how effortlessly he served.

First time finalist in the Masters for Coric. Nole will be too much though, unfortunately. Although if he serves as well as he did today, he could make it somewhat competitive
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LOL.

Kerber splits with her coach on "different ideas about the future".

I will translate it for you lot.

Coach: "Train harder you lazy bum."

Kerber: "Don't feel like we have the same ideas on how to progress."

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I think Kerber has a problem where she only seems to care about the Slams. You can understand that mindset with players like Serena who've won it all, but Angie is younger and should be hungrier.

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