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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old November 4th, 2005, 11:46 Thread Starter
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Bulgarian fans criticized by the Romanian Press!

http://www.gsp.ro/index.php?a=26531&shift=1

Basically saying that u guys are more behind then the Romanian fans, which seriously to have such a banner is lame....
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I don´t think we must give too importance to this.
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"Banner" ?!?!?! IF that is coming from FIFA or UEFA, I might consider it reading but from the Romanian press???? Please. Nothing against your press, but it is obviously bias, to say at least at this case.

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And here we critisize the behaviour of yours, nothing new under the sun, though we can compete with the "meetings" of serbs and croats for sure.
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I bet that was giani's idea!
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Either way the Bulgarian Football Federation should do more to eliminate the nazi flag and skinhead banners at there stadiums. I understand there will always be idiots who will continue to do it but if there was strict laws that gave out jail terms or something like that i bet you that crap like this wont happens as much.
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Romanian fans thrashed petrol stations on the way to the match. And I have seen similar flags in Lazio games so I dont get what you guys are getting worked up about. Its just some Idiots who Idolize Hitler and Siderov

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yeah i read that too i agree with las7.. they cracked the head of a police officer and attacked the owner of one of the gas stations.. they had to be escorted to sofia in order to not cause any more trouble.. it was a huge brawl breaking out so how dare can the romanian press critize our fans when their Dinamo fans (at least part of them) are nothing but hooligans..
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yeah i read that too i agree with las7.. they cracked the head of a police officer and attacked the owner of one of the gas stations.. they had to be escorted to sofia in order to not cause any more trouble.. it was a huge brawl breaking out so how dare can the romanian press critize our fans when their Dinamo fans (at least part of them) are nothing but hooligans..
ill agree that most of the Dinamo fans are hooligans, they put 10 fans from my team in Romania into hospital when Poli Timisoara was playing a Bucharest team, they wont even playing Dinamo, and the Dinamo fans came towards the National stadium where Poli was playing National Bucuresti...but either way, such banners shouldn't be up at a game...with swearing, or any racist remarks not that it was racist...
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hmmm its looks like the Dinamo fans got provoked, their bus windows smashed at the petrol station....
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yeah i read that too i agree with las7.. they cracked the head of a police officer and attacked the owner of one of the gas stations.. they had to be escorted to sofia in order to not cause any more trouble.. it was a huge brawl breaking out so how dare can the romanian press critize our fans when their Dinamo fans (at least part of them) are nothing but hooligans..

The Bulgarian Press is saying that Romanians were the agressors. After viewing the actual video footage from a Dinamo fan, I saw that it wasn't true.

THe Dinamo fans stopped to fill up the tank and buy some drinks at a gas station in a village (Loveci). The locals came out with bats and started shit and of course Romanians tried to protect themselves (but our fans were empty-handed and could barely protect themselves).

THe Dinamo fans' bus windows were broken and they had to drive without windows to Sofia.


Here are the video clips:
Actual fight scense from the gas stations (watch it until the end):
http://www.dinamomania.net/video/ext...de_bulgari.wmv

You can see the window getting broken in this one (and the girl that was sitting near the window):
http://www.dinamomania.net/video/ext...d_bulgaria.wmv

Later it was found out that the village has a 2nd division team Olimpic Galata which is the satelite team of Litex Lovec and that it was these fans that attacked the Dinamo fans.

Also 5 Romanian fans were detained but no Bulgarians. :irritate:

I am not saying the Dinamo fans are 100% innocent but I find it hard to believe they were the "agressors" as the Bulgarian press put it!

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Latest news - apparently the 5 Romanian fans which are still held in Bulgaria were given 2 options:

a) plead guilty and be allowed to go back to Romania the next day
b) plead not guilty and spend a few weeks (or may be even months) in Bulgaria for trial

i don't think that is fair at all but hey may be i'm just biased.

The five fans said they will plead guilty just to get the hell out of Bulgaria:

http://www.gsp.ro/index.php?a=26727&shift=1
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actually what the romanian fans were drunk . they threw bottles at the gas station in bulgarski izvor. The townspeople came out of the village to try to avoid the riot from growing . Some fans were shopping nearby and didnt pay for their purchases :thmbdown: . Fortunatly tho police came to the spot and escorted the hooligans to sofia.They confiscated 3 chains, 3 basebal bats, 6 knifes and some shovels (if you say those hooligans were innocent what were they doing with these things) I think that a cop even got a cracked skull or something like that and i really do hope that those responsible are punished. I hope there is no bias when they are tried in romanian courts and that justice prevails.. Lets hope this doesnt repeat.. Im not saying bulgarian fans are angels either tho as some Cska fans were arrested in Prague and if they really are guilty i want them to be punished the same way as dinamo fans. in both cases people could have been hurt. So see its not bias its just that i want all those hooligans who though that violence was the way to go should be punished
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THe Dinamo fans stopped to fill up the tank and buy some drinks at a gas station in a village (Loveci).
Except you forgot to mention that THEY DIDNT PAY FOR IT
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The locals came out with bats and started shit and of course Romanians tried to protect themselves (but our fans were empty-handed and could barely protect themselves).
Ok 1st of all the locals were mostly elderly village ppl id doubt theyd start some shit (after all hooligans live in cities not villages) and they were empty handed? well i wonder where all the bats and the knifes that the cops confiscated came from.

im srry man but your story totally contradicts with what the press and even MVR (ministry of Vatreshni (National or inner ) Raboti (affairs) in other words our cops said in their report...

as for the link u gave me of course they will be biased.. after all its a dinamo fan website and they want to protect their hooligans..
if dinamo fans are angels and behaved so good why would they get their own stadium closed in romania or are they being discriminated in their own country. i dont know about other romanian teams but dianamo has a lot of hooligan supporters (im not saying bulgarian teams dont tho)
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Yeah, this is going on in our media - Romanian fans stopped in a non-reglamented spot. Started taking drinks and food out of the local gas station with no intention to pay (and how could they?!? - the prices are only in Lev-s), the rest is really unfortunate, and it's undeserved to put aside the memories of the good game played over this accident.
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Question: did any TV in Bulgaria show the videos provided from the dinamo website? Kanal 3?

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I haven't seen this video in the BG channels, nor heard if they showed it. All I saw on K3 is a vid with one of the BG witnesses, and he mentioned that our countrymen only "pushed back to the bus the romanians" (though this is highly unlikely - total bias IMO, but we get the same from the Dinamo fan in their website). After all the matter hasn't been cleared out... But I can't accept the position that the bulgarians are the only responsible.
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actually what the romanian fans were drunk . they threw bottles at the gas station in bulgarski izvor. The townspeople came out of the village to try to avoid the riot from growing . Some fans were shopping nearby and didnt pay for their purchases :thmbdown: . Fortunatly tho police came to the spot and escorted the hooligans to sofia.They confiscated 3 chains, 3 basebal bats, 6 knifes and some shovels (if you say those hooligans were innocent what were they doing with these things) I think that a cop even got a cracked skull or something like that and i really do hope that those responsible are punished. I hope there is no bias when they are tried in romanian courts and that justice prevails.. Lets hope this doesnt repeat.. Im not saying bulgarian fans are angels either tho as some Cska fans were arrested in Prague and if they really are guilty i want them to be punished the same way as dinamo fans. in both cases people could have been hurt. So see its not bias its just that i want all those hooligans who though that violence was the way to go should be punished
I can't believe what I am reading!

I am providing you a video of the actual incidents which show Romanian fans trying to get into the busses and leave and you turn aeverything around and say stuff that makes no sense whatsoever!: Just take a look at your reasoning:

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The townspeople came out of the village to try to avoid the riot from growing
Dude, are you even listening to yourself??? The townspeople came out to avoid the riot??? By coming out, they made the riot!!! There was no riot to begin with. If there were cases of not paying for drinks as you guys say, then shouldn't police alone deal with that (e.g. arrest them on the spot!). But as you saw in the video the police was making an attempt to break up the fighting....

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They confiscated 3 chains, 3 basebal bats, 6 knifes and some shovels
What??? The big question is from whom did the police confiscate all those things??? The Romanian fans crossed the border legally (by bus) and the border police (both the Romanian and Bulgarian border police) would have confiscated those items at the border had this been true! And SHOVELS??? Give me a break! What is more likely? That the Romanian fans brought in shovels and rakes on the freaking bus or that the villagers came out swinging with these agricultural utensils.

I agree with you that hooligans should be punished and if the Bulgarian police officer was hurt by one of the Romanian fans than this fan should be punnished. But I want to make sure that a) the right person is arrested, not some random Romanian fans
b) the Bulgarian hooligans are punished too (and at the moment none of them were arrested, that should tell you something about unfair justice!)
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I saw the video.. wow what a great quality video it is i can see everything perfectly. NOT TO MENTION THE video started when the action was already heated. a video wouldnt show the romanians stealing the alchohol or any of that.
Maybe both sides to blame but ur story about the romanians just defending themselves is bs.. they were part of the reason why the fight started. lets hope something like this doesnt happen again.

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well it doesnt matter tho cuz levski won and thats all that matters and hopefully levski will make it through. it will be so exciting to have at least 1 and why not 2 or 3 bulgarian teams after new years in the uefa cup. and maybe just maybe next year we can see a bulgarian team in the CL finally. its well worth the wait. we are going in the right direction for that and i think that if either cska or levski win the bulgarian league both have a good shot at getting in the CL given a good draw, a good preperation, and smart transfers
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