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The Curious Case of Kawhi Leonard

the guy has managed to do something very few have accomplished before: going from being one of the most respected players in NBA to one of the least respected simply by not doing anything and not saying anything

what an amazing mental midget

i wonder what his end game is

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? AndÖ.itís the football, thatís the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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Yeah I checked the spurstalk forums, fans calling him a cancer etc. Not wanting him near the team, enjoying Aldridge being the new leader...

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You gonna blame it fully on him? It seems in general a bizzare sitaution, and unless we 100% he is healthy, we cant judge him. Even if it seems to be really odd sitaution from both sides IMO.



Most likely some of his odd behaviour is factored in by the fact of what happend to IT, he knows you dont get anything out of being "loyal" in risking your health by coming back to soon. And what is it being risked for? To being bounced in 1st round in playoffs? Defenitely max contract considerations too, he will get it for sure even if he stays out injured til he is fully back and ready on his own terms (he has player option for 2019), while if he comes back immediately and goes bust health wise, he would risk it with big question mark like its happening with Cousins etc.



I still think he will resign with Spurs btw, but this is in general a bizzare power play mechanic between him and Spurs organization, who used to be the most drama free unit ever, to now being a flaming hot mess of drama (Tony Parker throwing shade on Kwahi lol). Cant be a coincidence some things unravel without the leadership of Duncan there anymore.

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Yeah I checked the spurstalk forums, fans calling him a cancer etc. Not wanting him near the team, enjoying Aldridge being the new leader...
Then lets see them trade him, they have no next level talent and are sitting with zero cap space with big contracts on mediocre role players or extremely aged HOFers. Aldrige only quality player and he is 33 already. Plus with all this drama, even if Kawhi is a superstar, you wont get good enough trade deals from others for him, since you created this mess and he can just wait til 2019 if he likes and decline his option then.



Without Kawhi this Spurs roster is a treadmill team with no good picks in sight, only suriving on the fumes of 1 man in LA, great coaching and the last legs of getriactic former stars who survive on clutch experience at times.

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You gonna blame it fully on him? It seems in general a bizzare sitaution, and unless we 100% he is healthy, we cant judge him. Even if it seems to be really odd sitaution from both sides IMO.



Most likely some of his odd behaviour is factored in by the fact of what happend to IT, he knows you dont get anything out of being "loyal" in risking your health by coming back to soon. And what is it being risked for? To being bounced in 1st round in playoffs? Defenitely max contract considerations too, he will get it for sure even if he stays out injured til he is fully back and ready on his own terms (he has player option for 2019), while if he comes back immediately and goes bust health wise, he would risk it with big question mark like its happening with Cousins etc.



I still think he will resign with Spurs btw, but this is in general a bizzare power play mechanic between him and Spurs organization, who used to be the most drama free unit ever, to now being a flaming hot mess of drama (Tony Parker throwing shade on Kwahi lol). Cant be a coincidence some things unravel without the leadership of Duncan there anymore.
his uncle has been shopping him around saying to other franchises there's no real issues and he can hit the ground running...it's pure power play and has nothing to do with injuries. he's been medically cleared and ready to play since December (and don't forget he did actually play and did well) and was medically cleared AGAIN in February after his phantom issues. Parker said he came back from the same injury which was "100 times worse" in his case.

The guy is either a calculating scum or a pure simpleton who lets his minders to take advantage of him.

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Is this all confirmed or just speculation? Because there is 100% confusion on alot of this due to media wildly speculating. He wouldnt just sit out like this if he felt 100% ready to play EVEN if he wants to leave, it does him no good. So there is defenitely something going on that no one has filled in the blanks on, regardless of shady or shameless his uncle may be.



He has been medically cleared by Spurs doctors, but not by the private doctors he got 2nd opinion from latter.

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also they could have a decent chance to go far in the playoffs with him... Blazers or OKC would be beatable opponents and possibly even GSW who will be without Curry in the first round

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Is this all confirmed or just speculation? Because there is 100% confusion on alot of this due to media wildly speculating. He wouldnt just sit out like this if he felt 100% ready to play EVEN if he wants to leave, it does him no good. So there is defenitely something going on that no one has filled in the blanks on, regardless of shady or shameless his uncle may be.



He has been medically cleared by Spurs doctors, but not by the private doctors he got 2nd opinion from latter.
there's 100% confusion because he or his camp refuse to explain themselves and Spurs doesn't want to totally alienate him or lessen his trade value

it can only be interpreted in one way...I mean when your teammates are holding meetings about you refusing to play...they seem to be as confused as everyone else

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They are confused, but interpreted one way means what? You think a guy who is super competetive and hard worker who is all about the game and nothing else so far, just refuses to play what he is paid millions for, because he wants to force his way out? Not is it only a dumb career move to do it this overly and prolonged, it does not make any sense for what we know of Kawhi. Clearly is is a bizzare and unusual sitaution, but one thing is sure, Leonard is not playing because HE doesnt feel he is ready to play after the injury, mentionned lots of times of kind unusual condition, mental or physical, called tendiopathy that has him kinda shook enough to wait as freakishly long as he has. Unusual sitaution, where only certaintly is this is not a player who feels he is 100% ready to play or healthy yet (as is NY specialist doctors 2nd opinion take hints at).



Too much media spin that wants to sensationalize the image of a big conflict every time, so imma quote a good post from another forum that had lots of the latest official tweets about this sitaution (plus the Spurs fan posters takes inbeetween):


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An interesting wrinkle. Earlier Pop said he'd discuss Kawhi's return based on how he feels he's ready and on how Pop believes he is. The context is revelation that Kawhi was cleared by Spurs medical staff before the pre-season. Then Kawhi got a second opinion back in February in New York / Jersey, and it was Kawhi's choice whether to come back based on how he felt. Now it has been revealed that Kawhi has his own medical team (those NY specialists) that has to clear him before Kawhi and Pop can discuss the team giving the green light.

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I feel like I've had this same discussion before in the Derrick Rose thread...well I was right on that one as his later actions (multiple random AWOLs) proved he is a selfish mental midget who doesn't give a damn about his teams.

Maybe Spurs had it right by signing committed international players instead of ghetto clowns.

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Spurstalk is the absolute worst place for Spurs fans.

Essentially Tendinopathy (sp) is an injury that just doesn't heal. He's been very cautious throughout his whole career in regards to injuries and this isn't going away.

There is no point in trading him, cause there will be nothing worthy of his value in the market and the Spurs would get taken to the cleaners.

Really just a shit situation all round.

To be fair the spurs team is one of the worst ones in recent time, a lot of rooks and a couple of old veterans. Nothing in-between .
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Heard about an Ingram, Kuzma, plus trade for him.

Isn't he from LA? Bet he hates Texas.

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Heard about an Ingram, Kuzma, plus trade for him.

Isn't he from LA? Bet he hates Texas.
As a Laker fan I would probably pass. Ingram has progressed extremely nicely this year and Kuzma is just a natural scorer. Has that mamba mentality.

I'm not saying they're better than Leonard, cause he's one of the best players in the league when healthy. But I'll take my chances. This whole thing with him this season is just weird.

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Heard about an Ingram, Kuzma, plus trade for him.

Isn't he from LA? Bet he hates Texas.
lol Lakers fans and their delusions

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Guys being called out as delusional by a guy on his umpteenth mission to call dibs on one very ambiguous situation! Classics attention whore, Andy!

Specialists haven't seen this sort of injury before. TP comes back a shadow of himself by any measure. But yeah, Kawhi here is either faking it or holding out for an assumed move, wow! The nonsense is just staggering!

That's not to say Kawhi or his camp are saints. I simply don't know. One thing is an absolute fact he's gonna get his max contract only from the Spurs.

I suspect this whole thing started with some stupid reporting by Wojnarowski....

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apparently the colluding piece of shit wants to force a trade to Celtics

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Meh, lets just wait it out. Kawhi should only stay loyal to himself.
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dunno...sitting out the season with a phantom injury in an attempt to force a trade seems a bit scummy, no?

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Maybe but its 2018.

Entitled sports stars do what they fricken want.

Plus he's black and is forced to live in Texas.

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