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View Poll Results: Who is the greatest NBA Poward forward of all time?
Tim Duncan 8 57.14%
Karl Malone 3 21.43%
Charles Barkley 1 7.14%
Dirk Nowitzki 1 7.14%
Kevin Garnett 0 0%
Kevin Mchale 0 0%
Elvin Hayes 0 0%
Dave Debusschere 1 7.14%
Dennis Rodman 0 0%
Bob Petit 0 0%
Other ( discuss in thread). 0 0%
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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old October 21st, 2013, 20:24 Thread Starter
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XT TOP 10 Power Forwards of all time

We move to the power forward category.


1 - Tim Duncan

Top 10 player all time, and the greatest power forward of all time IMO. "The big fundamental" , he can come at 50 and still play as good as he is now. Doesnt rely much on athleticism.He is a great defensive player as well.



2 - Karl Malone

Second most points in history of the league, 2 mvp awards . He will be remembered as the man who couldnt beat michael jordan.Another talent that was denied by jordan from winning a title. If not for jordan, there would be the case to rank Malone ahead of Duncan.



3 - Charles Barkley

Just a beast. There will probably never be another player like him, under 6-foot-5 yet had the ability to play power forward. Michael Jordan denied him of winning a ring much like he did to karl malone. Despite being ringless I'll rank him higher then garnett, nowitzki due to his overall impact being much better.



4 - Dirk Nowitzki

Best shooter ever among power forwards. He willed his team into one championship in 2011, outplaying likes of kobe , durant and lebron. That amazing run puts him ahead of others that also have just one ring like garnett.



5 - Kevin Garnett

Wasted many years in a mediocre team like minnesotta.Once he moved to boston he showcased his defensive tenasity. If the boston big 3 was formed couple of years before, he would have won more then just one ring.



6 - Kevin Mchale

His moves under the basket are unmatched by anyone in history bar olajuwon.He abused defenders with his moves.



7- Elvin Hayes

He was offensive machine, could score from anywhere , rebound and defend. Won a title with washington in 1978.



8 - Bob Petit

This man defined the power forward position, before him there were just forwards.He won two NBA mvp awards, plus he beat the celtics dynasty in 1958 finals




9 - Dave DeBusschere

Rugged and physical at both ends of the floor, helped knicks win two titles in 1970 and 1973.



10 - Dennis Rodman

Led league in rebounding for 7 years, one of best defensive players ever.He could annoy any player at any position.Won 5 titles, 3 with chicago and 2 with detroit.

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Maybe I'm biased because I'm from Europe but I say Nowitzki. He's unlucky to be stuck with a crappy mismanaged franchise all his career...could've won much more.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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I wouldn't put Malone higher than six, maybe even lower but I don't know much about the other players. People who have seen both Malone and Barkley during their prime tell me that only a fool would consider Malone superior. He did last longer, but whatever he choked in the finals vs the Bulls, also had a lot better teammates.

IMO it is between KG and Duncan, maybe Nowitzki. My top5:
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2-KG
3-Nowitzki
4-Chuck
5-McHale
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Malone averaged 25/10 over 19 seasons. Let this fact sink in for a while.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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Timmy D is the best ever and it's not even an argument. Amazing how this guy is just so much about basketball that he is one of the greatest of all time and there isn't the slightest bit of hype about him. Even in an era of twitter, facebook etc.

Personally prefer Chuck over Malone. But Malone is just a beast statistically. Also helps that he played with a top 5 point guard his whole career.

Rodman was just a beast defensively and on the boards. Do rate him higher.

Dirk ahead of KG is just right. Dirk carried some very bad Mavericks team to the playoff and many times deep into it. One of the most unstoppable scorers of all time. KG is a great defender, but his Minnesota years were a disaster for the most part.

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I'll be totally honest, I'm totally biased. The duo of Stockton & Malone in Salt Lake City was, alongside Jordan, what got younger me watching basketball. The sport was never the same to me after Stockton retired & the Mailman went to LA. The only man to score more than Malone is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, & Malone played nearly 150 games less. So at least my total biased is somewhat backed up by the stats.

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Duncan is the best 4 ever and not really close to be honest.
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I wouldn't put Malone higher than six, maybe even lower but I don't know much about the other players. People who have seen both Malone and Barkley during their prime tell me that only a fool would consider Malone superior. He did last longer, but whatever he choked in the finals vs the Bulls, also had a lot better teammates.

IMO it is between KG and Duncan, maybe Nowitzki. My top5:
1-Duncan
2-KG
3-Nowitzki
4-Chuck
5-McHale
Complete bollocks if we take account the fact that Malone was selected All-NBA First Team 11 times in a row, usually over Barkley who was selected First Team only 5 times and never managed to push off Malone from the selection after 1989.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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Complete bollocks if we take account the fact that Malone was selected All-NBA First Team 11 times in a row, usually over Barkley who was selected First Team only 5 times and never managed to push off Malone from the selection after 1989.
Well Kobe has been All-Defensive team how many times now? And Kobe is an average defender at best.

Also take into consideration that Malone played with an all time top 5 point guard for all of his career.

Barkley spent his prime in Philly where his best teammate was Rick Mahorn.

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Complete bollocks if we take account the fact that Malone was selected All-NBA First Team 11 times in a row, usually over Barkley who was selected First Team only 5 times and never managed to push off Malone from the selection after 1989.
Later in their career yes, but not in their prime. I didn't deny Malone's longevity. They were actually both selected in All-Nba First Team during their prime even though they were playing in the same position. Barkley however also won the MVP award in 1993 and was the starting PF on the Dream Team in 1992 ahead of Malone. It's interesting how one can't use the usual excuses for Malone not wining a ring, he had the team-mates, the coach and the system.
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Later in their career yes, but not in their prime. I didn't deny Malone's longevity. They were actually both selected in All-Nba First Team during their prime even though they were playing in the same position. Barkley however also won the MVP award in 1993 and was the starting PF on the Dream Team in 1992 ahead of Malone. It's interesting how one can't use the usual excuses for Malone not wining a ring, he had the team-mates, the coach and the system.
It was Malone who was the choker.

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Most underrated is also Elton Brand.

Dude had all the skills, just wasn't vocal, nor a leader.
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Who should enter top 10 missing the list? and instead of who?

Dolph Schayes
Jerry Lucas
Vern Mikkelsen
Elton Brand
Rasheed Wallace
Horace Grant
Chris Webber
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Connie Hawkins
Shawn Kemp
Jermaine O'neal
Otis Thorpe
Charles Oakley
any other name


Rasheed Wallace is one of my favorite players too, great defender and fun player.

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Later in their career yes, but not in their prime. I didn't deny Malone's longevity. They were actually both selected in All-Nba First Team during their prime even though they were playing in the same position. Barkley however also won the MVP award in 1993 and was the starting PF on the Dream Team in 1992 ahead of Malone. It's interesting how one can't use the usual excuses for Malone not wining a ring, he had the team-mates, the coach and the system.
you are wrong, Malone was selected always in his prime to the First Team and even after his prime...11 years running. He wasn't selected only in his first 3 season in the NBA. While Barkley, after Malone reached his prime, was only selected to the first team together with Malone on the two forwards spots but also often left out. So prime Barkley was in fact never selected over prime Malone on this award.

BTW Malone won 2 MVP's. also has 14 All Star selections over Barkley's 11.

Four Defensive Team selections vs Barkley's zero.

Averaged more points than Barkley in every season after his first 3 seasons in the NBA...that's 12 seasons in a row.

Neither of them won rings.

But Malone absolutely destroys Barkley in individual accolades, consistency and lifetime career stats.

Pretty much all you can bring in Chuck's favor was that he was the starter for the Dream Team 1992 and was a better rebounder.

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So prime Barkley was in fact never selected over prime Malone on this award.
I didn't find the voting results for All Nba team, however I found the voting results for the MVP award. Barkley was higher in the years 86,87,88,90,91,93. After 1993 Barkley had a lot injury problems and started declining.

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I wouldn't use the words 'absolutely destroys', but yeah stats and awards are on Malone's side, though it is partly down to his longevity and better team. I mean Malone has the most All Nba first team selections together with Kobe Bryant. He is not 1st/2nd best player ever.
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I guess , the argument can be settled in terms of longevity Malone > Barkley, but if your going to talk prime I think its Barkley > Malone.
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Tim Duncan's spot will be cemented for awhile being. The amazing thing is the guy didn't rely on athleticism at all, just fundamental basketball. Makes the game very easy. Doesn't complicate anything.
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Complete bollocks if we take account the fact that Malone was selected All-NBA First Team 11 times in a row, usually over Barkley who was selected First Team only 5 times and never managed to push off Malone from the selection after 1989.
Not complete bollocks at all.

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Charles Barkley (1987-93)	PF	456	456	38.6	0.611	0.262	0.74	0.637	25.9	11.6	4.1	3.2	1.28125	26	124	1.6	0.8	106	90.2	0.246	26.8	26																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																									
Playoffs		45	45	42.4	0.554	0.216	0.704	0.58	25.9	13.3	4.6	2.6	1.4285714286	26.4	120	1.5	0.8	108	8.2	0.207	25.2																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																										

Karl Malone (1993-98)	PF	409	409	38.1	0.531	0.28	0.736	0.582	26.4	10.4	4	2.8	1.4285714286	30.5	116	1.5	0.9	101	75.4	0.232	26.1	24.9																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																									
Playoffs		79	79	41.2	0.463	0.133	0.702	0.518	26.7	11.3	3.5	2.6	1.3461538462	33	107	1.4	0.8	101	11.4	0.168	23.7
Look at how Malone's stats shrink in the playoffs. This was during his prime when he was battling Jordan. Barkley beat him in every category while having a lower usage rate (26% vs 30%).

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Most underrated is also Elton Brand.

Dude had all the skills, just wasn't vocal, nor a leader.
Great shout. His career in LA before the injury were among some of the most efficient for PFs in history.

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