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so it seems that many people still expect Nerlens Noel to be the #1 pick despite of his injury.

shows the lack of talent at the top in this year's draft...given that he's primarily a defensive specialist who also has a relatively fragile build and might struggle against many NBA centers...and for a power forward position his complete lack of shooting ability becomes a problem...not that he has a lot of post skills either except for dunks and putbacks. awful free thrower as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if Alex Len turns out to be the best big man in this draft.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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If he can protect the rim, he is as valuable as they come. He doesn't need to have great have offense to get 15-16 ppg. He has a great motor and can run the floor. He can get that off rebounds, alley-oops and just running the floor like he can.

His real value is on the defensive end, and protecting the rim and preventing second chance buckets.

I do not buy that this draft is weak. 2009 was supposed to be awful. Turns out 2009 had Blake, Harden, Curry, Rubio, Ty Lawson, Holiday, Taj Gibson.

2010 was supposed to be loaded. Well most of them can't even hold a regular spot in rotation at the moment. Wall looks good now finally. Evan Turner is a disaster. Derrick Favors is still off the bench. Wesley Johnson is just lol. Boogie can't get his head out of his ass. The only one's doing well are the one's that were not rated before the draft.

Gordon Hayward
Paul George
Larry Sanders
Eric Bledsoe
Avery Bradley

2011 was supposed to be weak.
Kyrie
Tristan Thompson
Jonas
Kemba Walker
Klay Thompson
Kawhi Leonard
Vucevic
Shumpert
Faried
Jimmy Butler

Lesson in short is, most of these Draft experts are idiots. Most NBA teams couldn't evaluate talent if it hit them in the face. Most teams have no idea how to identify and develop players

There are a bunch of smart teams which do a good job of evaluating and developing talent. And using them the right way.

I like this draft and a lot of the players in it

Noel
McLemore
Burke
Oladipo
Shabazz
Anthony Bennett
Kabongo
Jamaal Franklin
Carter-Williams

Plus there are a lot of foreign prospects, who I have not seen play any basketball. But Saric and Karasev are both highly rated.

There's this Nigerian-Greek wonderkid who is supoosed to be a freak of nature. Who knows though, he could be Biyombo 2.

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yep, this Greek Giannis Adetokoubo might be an interesting prospect. He has an older brother too who maybe could also play on NBA level.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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Lottery tonight. Start the conspiracy theories. Stern should give the 1st pick to Kings as his going away present to the conspiracy theorists.

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If he can protect the rim, he is as valuable as they come. He doesn't need to have great have offense to get 15-16 ppg. He has a great motor and can run the floor. He can get that off rebounds, alley-oops and just running the floor like he can.

His real value is on the defensive end, and protecting the rim and preventing second chance buckets.

I do not buy that this draft is weak. 2009 was supposed to be awful. Turns out 2009 had Blake, Harden, Curry, Rubio, Ty Lawson, Holiday, Taj Gibson.

2010 was supposed to be loaded. Well most of them can't even hold a regular spot in rotation at the moment. Wall looks good now finally. Evan Turner is a disaster. Derrick Favors is still off the bench. Wesley Johnson is just lol. Boogie can't get his head out of his ass. The only one's doing well are the one's that were not rated before the draft.

Gordon Hayward
Paul George
Larry Sanders
Eric Bledsoe
Avery Bradley

2011 was supposed to be weak.
Kyrie
Tristan Thompson
Jonas
Kemba Walker
Klay Thompson
Kawhi Leonard
Vucevic
Shumpert
Faried
Jimmy Butler

Lesson in short is, most of these Draft experts are idiots. Most NBA teams couldn't evaluate talent if it hit them in the face. Most teams have no idea how to identify and develop players

There are a bunch of smart teams which do a good job of evaluating and developing talent. And using them the right way.

I like this draft and a lot of the players in it

Noel
McLemore
Burke
Oladipo
Shabazz
Anthony Bennett
Kabongo
Jamaal Franklin
Carter-Williams

Plus there are a lot of foreign prospects, who I have not seen play any basketball. But Saric and Karasev are both highly rated.

There's this Nigerian-Greek wonderkid who is supoosed to be a freak of nature. Who knows though, he could be Biyombo 2.
Boogie, despite having a big ego, still averaged 17 points and 9.9 rebounds a game, practically a double-double average at the age of 22. He also shot 46%, which is good for a big man who spends a fair amount of time away from the basket.

Also Isaiah Thomas must be mentioned for 2011 draftees who did well. Very productive for the 60th pick.

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And the fvcking Cavs get another #1 pick. alm:

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2009 and 2011 were probably the last years that were somewhat reasonably decent.

I think things will get worse from here on out.

I haven't seen this year's tournament but close friends have told me its weak.

Cody Zeller deserves to be drafted high though. Anyone that needs either a scoring center or power forward would be truly naive to pass on him. He's much superior to his douche bag brother who graduated from North Carolina. Under the right coach they can develop him into a solid big man with good basketball IQ.

I don't know much about that Kansas shooting guard. I'd always opt for a point guard or a center if I'm a team in need of one of these two positions, but if that shooting guard is truly the best player i.e. franchise potential, it is worth the pick, but I can't comment as I know nothing about him nor seen his games.

Wonder what Cleveland will do? They need to think smart, time is ticking and Kyrie won't be there forever, have to build around him wisely. What does Cleveland even need at the moment? There's a lot of flaws but whats the biggest need? A center? A scorer?
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They probably don't need a scorer because they have Kyrie and Waiters, so their backourt can take of most of that. Power forward can be filled in by Tristan Thompson who had a nice rookie season. SF (currently Alonzo Gee) or center (I think varejao it current one) would be their biggest needs.

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They probably don't need a scorer because they have Kyrie and Waiters, so their backourt can take of most of that. Power forward can be filled in by Tristan Thompson who had a nice rookie season. SF (currently Alonzo Gee) or center (I think varejao it current one) would be their biggest needs.
According to the analyst they'll go for the shooting guard. There's a possibility they could use him as a sixth man. Is this shooting guard that great? In the tournament they were terrible...

I'm not sold into him. This draft is odd.

Cody Zeller and Alex Len have bright futures if under the right coaches and management. Solid big men right there. The guy from Gonzaga another.
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Orlando should go for the Michigan guard, they'd be stupid to go for Noel or McLemore
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Ryan Kelly deserves to be drafted somewhere in the first round. Great for a team who misses out on some of the top big men. So many draft changes shows that this draft is shaky. I probably recognize or am familiar with 6-8 players max, most of them big men. I will not be surprised if we get some decent role players or even all-stars in the 2nd round given nobody knows what's going on esp. as there was no disparity among the college basketball players this year.
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It seems that there are only bad choices and even worse choices for #1 pick:

Most people expect Cavs to go for Nerlens Noel because they need strong defensive presence for years to come. Then again getting a defensive specialist with very little offensive output (and who is also somewhat of a tweener) sounds kind of a rotten deal for a #1 pick.

Porter, McLemore...both likely to be solid starters but yet again hard to imagine them as legit stars in a title-challenging team.

Maybe Alex Len is the only player in this draft who I could at least imagine becoming an unique presence and a franchise centerpiece in the NBA. But he's a risky choice: still a raw prospect and especially because of his injury problems which is a huge red flag for men of his size.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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also the funny thing is I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Rudy Gobert becomes the greatest defensive center of this draft instead of Noel...9'7 standing reach is absolutely insane and he has very good court movement and lateral speed for a man his size.

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Rudy Gobert haven't looked at him.

But one thing is imminent, the Bulls need to shoot for a legitimate power forward. Even if the guy isn't a star just someone who can get the points and play a fairly decent role until we get the Montenegrin for 2015...

There are mostly a lot of big men who can end up becoming NBA standard centers for defending and rebounding but true low post power forwards are hard to find.

I'd like for us to attain Zeller, Olynk, or someone whose capable of at least a basic game in the paint. If not, Rose/Deng/Butler/Noah will not be enough for 2014 as Boozer will be punished yet AGAIN.
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there are some strong rumors about Cavs going for Len as the #1 pick...as I said before he probably has the highest upside in this draft...could be an unique offensive force in the league in a couple of years. while Noel will hardly be anything more than a great defender with limited offensive capabilities...so not sure if he's really worth spending your first pick (although he would be the safer choice).

another good thing about picking Len would be that he's still raw and is unlikely to improve them much next season giving Cavs a good opportunity to tank for the stacked 2014 draft.

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Heard beautiful things about Len. He's about 7 feet as well. The Cavs would be making the logical decision as Nerlen Noels looks like another Oden type, especially considering he's from Haiti he looks as if his body lacks nutrition.

Also if I were Cleveland I would definitely not go after Ben, building around shooting guards is nonsense, you first want your more important positions out of the way, you can always find cheap shooting guards or develop them during free agencies and late round picks.
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If Cleveland pick Len this year and tank for another top talent in 2014, given their luck in the draft they will end up with Andrew Wiggins as the No.1 pick.

Kyrie Irving, Dion Waiters, Andrew Wiggins, Tristan Thompson and Alex Len might go down as the best ever starting 5 in Cleveland history when they reach their prime. It all depends on whether Dan Gilbert is willing to go above the tax treshold to keep this team.
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Too early to judge Waiters, but Thompson wasn't a good draft. Sure he works hard but he will become punished come playoff time if this team ever manages to reach that point. He's undersized and will probably end up becoming another Boozer. Had Dejuan Blair's knees not have been an issue, the guy would have been a monster power forward at 6'7" he toyed with Gasol and Bynum during his first season in the NBA. He has excellent low post but the lack of ACL in both knees pretty much ruined his potential career.
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Cleveland is not gonna tank for next year. And it will be stupid. After tanking for three decent to average draft you fail to tank in the most stacked draft in a decade.

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