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Why you insist on playing Hakan though? He is average at best. Suso/Samu can at least give you the sparkle or the one off wonder kick/pass/goal. Biglia is a conductor of the midfield. What is Hakan? Headless chicken, with all due respect. FK specialist that scores zero FKs. Really useless.
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Why you insist on playing Hakan though? He is average at best. Suso/Samu can at least give you the sparkle or the one off wonder kick/pass/goal. Biglia is a conductor of the midfield. What is Hakan? Headless chicken, with all due respect. FK specialist that scores zero FKs. Really useless.

IMO he has been playing better in recent weeks. Suso hasn't scored or assisted since January and overall his performances haven't been good.

Did you see Hakan's appearance off the bench yesterday? I thought he played quite well. Suso worked hard but nothing came of it.

I'm not 100% against Suso starting, but if he does it shouldn't be at the detriment of Castillejo. If Suso can play around his compatriot and compliment his game (similar to what we saw in the second half when Samu was given a freer role) then great, and maybe Hakan needs to be benched as a result. But Suso continually doing what he has been for weeks now is like repeatedly running into a brick wall.
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IMO - there is nothing special that Hakan brings to team that you don’t already get in between Paquetta and the midfield tanks. While Suso and Samu have the technical skills and explosive capabilities to cause problems. Hakan doesn’t. He is at best a bench player in a good team. His true place is in a middle of the table Bundesliga team. Not a bad player when in form but brings nothing exceptional to the table.

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My problem with Hakan is that he seem to have the technical abilities somewhere, but makes simple mistakes that great players or even just good professionals should really not be making as often as he does...
Think his passing has looked better recently, but for instance yesterday the ball randomly got to him at the front of the box.
Great players would be able to consistently take it down and lay it of for a shot on goal, but instead the ball jumped away too far from him and was lost...That's just the kind of things that annoys me. Simple things that a pro should be able to do more consistently.. Messi would have laid it off succesfully for himself 9/10 and probably scored on a decent percentage(OK he is not comparable)
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Regarding Castillejo, he really deserved more playing time. At the start of the season, I thought he was a bit lightweight and too easily pushed of the ball, but now he is just working and running like a mad man. Much better at beating opp. and often also stealing the ball due to being so aggressive. Need to be careful about making reckless challenges and getting carded though
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You say we keep barely beating poor teams. Such as who? Yes we had a bad spell in December, but we can put that aside as this is clearly a different Milan to the one that couldn't even manage to barely beat poor teams.

We beat Genoa 2-0 (away), Cagliari and Empoli both 3-0 (home) then we had the lucky win against Sassuolo. Last night was a deserved win too against a team that have drawn against Napoli, Roma, Lazio and Inter. Was it a convincing win? Not the most convincing, but then again it was definitely not lucky and we definitely deserved to win. Chievo deserved nothing from it. The fact that they're bottom of the league means absolutely nothing to me. You even mentioned how much they run, they're clearly up for a fight and again their results against our rivals shows it.


Plus in terms of improvement (or stepping up against the bigger sides) amidst those wins against weaker opponents, we stepped up and beat Atalanta away which is one of the tougher fixtures. We drew away to Roma in a game where we were denied a stonewall PK when leading 1-0 and drew against Napoli (a team that are better than us but we held our own and also beat them in the Coppa).
Chievo have 10 points from a possible 81. Beating them is the very least we could be expected to do. How can that not matter? They lose most of their games.

We beat Cagliari and Empoli in San Siro, midtable teams who were in horrible form, and with extremely flattering results that didn't reflect the flow of the game. Same against Atalanta, who are indeed a decent team, but who really absolutely outplayed us for large parts of the game. They will wonder forever how they lost that game -- and the answer is mostly Piatek.

This is the same Milan from that good run last season, the one who beat Roma in Rome and all that. I seriously fail to see what has improved compared to then, other than some individuals, including key ones in the GK and striker. Watch the games again. We actually played better then.

Again, I'll be extremely delighted if we make it to CL, and it is not unlikely. Gattuso is a capable manager and deserves credit. I've said it many times. He already showed it last season, had he been the manager all season we would have likely qualified to CL too. In fact the good things from that run are pretty much the same as the ones now.

I just don't see any real progress and don't see how playing like we currently do can lead to many more wins in the tougher games -- luckily we don't necessarily need to in order to qualify. We play terrible football most of the time.

I hope I'm wrong, but really, we won't get far playing like we've doing for the past 4-5 games.

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Chievo have 10 points from a possible 81. Beating them is the very least we could be expected to do. How can that not matter? They lose most of their games.

We beat Cagliari and Empoli in San Siro, midtable teams who were in horrible form, and with extremely flattering results that didn't reflect the flow of the game. Same against Atalanta, who are indeed a decent team, but who really absolutely outplayed us for large parts of the game. They will wonder forever how they lost that game -- and the answer is mostly Piatek.

This is the same Milan from that good run last season, the one who beat Roma in Rome and all that. I seriously fail to see what has improved compared to then, other than some individuals, including key ones in the GK and striker. Watch the games again. We actually played better then.

Again, I'll be extremely delighted if we make it to CL, and it is not unlikely. Gattuso is a capable manager and deserves credit. I've said it many times. He already showed it last season, had he been the manager all season we would have likely qualified to CL too. In fact the good things from that run are pretty much the same as the ones now.

I just don't see any real progress and don't see how playing like we currently do can lead to many more wins in the tougher games -- luckily we don't necessarily need to in order to qualify. We play terrible football most of the time.

I hope I'm wrong, but really, we won't get far playing like we've doing for the past 4-5 games.

Sure we can expect to beat Chievo, but you can't turn a blind eye to the series of draws they've had against those other teams. Again, the fact they're bottom doesn't mean a great deal, or more that it is very dangerous for a team to place any emphasis on it. Inter and Roma have perhaps fallen into that trap when you look at some of their results against lower teams, and Napoli too for that matter, which is one of the things that separates them from Juve.

If we come undone in the upcoming tougher games for the remainder of the season and as a consequence fall out of the top 4, I'll hold my hands up and say you were right. But until that happens I'm not convinced. That's not to say I am completely happy with the way we're playing and I hope we improve.

By the law of averages and looking at some of our upcoming fixtures I expect we'll drop some points. The derby can go either way and Sampdoria away will not be easy. The question is if we lose both of those can the team bounce back and get back to winning as soon as possible.
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You say we keep barely beating poor teams. Such as who? Yes we had a bad spell in December, but we can put that aside as this is clearly a different Milan to th
True he is pretty good at winning FKs (side note, Borini is very good at this too) but Samu proved again how effective he is. Hakan also played well last night and has recently looks to have turned a corner.

This doesn't leave any place for Suso. To his credit though I think he played with humility in the second half and worked really hard running the channels and linked well with Samu. Rino can take the credit for this. Our players are willing to sweat blood for him and you can see a strong sense of character seems to run within the team.

Suso scores goals, Samu hardly does, to me he is indespensable unless super tired. Suso can change a game in a second....

And what a shame we exited from Europe...

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Why you insist on playing Hakan though? He is average at best. Suso/Samu can at least give you the sparkle or the one off wonder kick/pass/goal. Biglia is a conductor of the midfield. What is Hakan? Headless chicken, with all due respect. FK specialist that scores zero FKs. Really useless.


Hakan is average. Word.


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Suso scores goals, Samu hardly does, to me he is indespensable unless super tired. Suso can change a game in a second....

And what a shame we exited from Europe...
I'm constantly impressed by you. Suso has scored 5 goals, Castillejo 3. Yeah, that's some huge difference especially since Suso has only played some 700 minutes in his first ever Serie A season and Castillejo some 2000+ minutes. Oh, wait.....

Not to mention that one of them last assisted or scored in January while the other helped us win 2-1 yesterday with an assist for the second goal. I know you probably didn't watch the game, but take a wild guess who made the assist.

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Suso and Hakan are our weak spot at the moment.

I am bring back this question which many of you have shot me.
Should we relook at the formation with the other players available?!

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Suso scores goals, Samu hardly does, to me he is indespensable unless super tired. Suso can change a game in a second....
- Samu Castillejo scored 3 goals in Serie A, 2 assists in Serie A plus 2 assists in Europe League with total playing time of 737 minutes, of which most has been as substitute. Only played 2 full games: Empoli and Chievo.

- Suso scored 5 goals in Serie A, 8 assistsin Serie A with total playing time of 2218 minutes, of which all has been as starter.

It takes 245 minutes for Samu to score a goal; while Suso needs 444 minutes to score a goal.

This is the first season for Samu in Serie A. Not to mention his style of play brings in the much needed dynamic, aggressiveness and speed that current Milan lacks. Castellijo deserves more playing time and starter chances.

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In comparison to all those bashing of Calabria, what do you say about Conti's performance against Chievo, both defensive and offensive?

According to Football Italia: Man Utd and Everton track Calabria https://www.football-italia.net/1356...track-calabria
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Suso and Hakan are our weak spot at the moment.
To be honest, Hakan was doing just fine yesterday, both defensively and offensively. He was the only one who was there in the middle field jumping up to get the head balls from the opponents and to hold and distribute the balls.

There is not much to criticise him yesterday, given his tough week: flying back and forth from Italy to Germany for the birth of his baby daughter.
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In comparison to all those bashing of Calabria, what do you say about Conti's performance against Chievo, both defensive and offensive?

According to Football Italia: Man Utd and Everton track Calabria https://www.football-italia.net/1356...track-calabria
I'm not a fan of Calabria, but he is steadily improving.

The mistake Conti did yesterday, Calabria has done plenty.
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Why are you not a fan of Calabria? He's very good this season and seems to improve as time goes on.

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I'm constantly impressed by you. Suso has scored 5 goals, Castillejo 3. Yeah, that's some huge difference especially since Suso has only played some 700 minutes in his first ever Serie A season and Castillejo some 2000+ minutes. Oh, wait.....

Not to mention that one of them last assisted or scored in January while the other helped us win 2-1 yesterday with an assist for the second goal. I know you probably didn't watch the game, but take a wild guess who made the assist.
To be fair, last night Suso had 2 key passes to Kessie, 1 to Castillejo, and also the 1st half free kick leading to a dangerous header, so certainly not his fault he didn’t get 1 or 2 assists.
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Vital 3 pts. It's absolutely crucial Piatek & Donnarumma keep doing their thing, well that's exactly the reason we paid 35 mil for the latter & handed a 6 mil/year contract to the former, it's simply their job. Surely analytics won't favor such run of performances to go far ahead, but I'll take those wins while we can. Credit to Gattuso for some much needed rotation. I mean I always wondered what Castillejo could add to the side given more than injury time minutes. He's definitely very promising. Good game by Biglia after so long. Laxalt's energy is always welcome over a stale & ineffective Rodriguez. Conti, well, average at best, but we need those game logs to be able to make any kind of assessment, and honestly, that transfer looks very much likely to turn south on us. Calabria used to be that clumsy defender, sure, not anymore, though. Probably to Gattuso's credit working on his defensive attributes.

In any case, this performance has been the theme for us the past few weeks & I believe it shall remain ongoing moving forward. Big question to management at the end of the season if we make it to the CL, as expected, whether or not they would retain this average Gattuso. Mind you, the struggles in the EL this season and the previous one as well....

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To be honest, Hakan was doing just fine yesterday, both defensively and offensively. He was the only one who was there in the middle field jumping up to get the head balls from the opponents and to hold and distribute the balls.



There is not much to criticise him yesterday, given his tough week: flying back and forth from Italy to Germany for the birth of his baby daughter.


Like I said, Hakan could played out of position. Still nothing extraordinary to go by.
But will Gatusso do something about it.
He won’t fixed the situation as it has provided him with the wins.


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I'm constantly impressed by you. Suso has scored 5 goals, Castillejo 3. Yeah, that's some huge difference especially since Suso has only played some 700 minutes in his first ever Serie A season and Castillejo some 2000+ minutes. Oh, wait.....

Not to mention that one of them last assisted or scored in January while the other helped us win 2-1 yesterday with an assist for the second goal. I know you probably didn't watch the game, but take a wild guess who made the assist.

Fantastic tone encouraging me to reply - assist a goal against Chievo and that gives you a starting place in the derby ahead of Suso, and ofcourse the goals Suso scored in 2018 dont count for you anymore when i say “Suso scores goals”, and somehow I was posting in the match forum about the game without watching it i think ur just looking for someone to wind up

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