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post #201 of 269 (permalink) Old May 24th, 2019, 19:54
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That's a bit unfair, Gattuso at least results-wise has not been that bad. And he had terrible injuries to deal with. I think most of the previous managers would have done worse actually. But that's because they suck, not because Gattuso is special.

However, the football has been so disgustingly terrible that if sending an official note that says "Thank you Rino, now you're out" is not the very first thing the management do after the season is over, I will be very worried about the future of Milan. I can't understand how anyone who's watched our games this season would like us to continue in the same direction.

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We have been poor and have scored too few goals but at least have by far the best defensive record since we finished 2nd with Allegri in 11/12.
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Inzaghi is not proven IMO. He had one real tenure and while his team punched slightly over their supposed "weight", it is not very impressive and it is very possible he will not manage the same in another enviroment.
I'd take Inzaghi. He makes Lazio play really great football. He makes average players look great. With a little better team we'd be miles behind Lazio.

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That's a bit unfair, Gattuso at least results-wise has not been that bad. And he had terrible injuries to deal with. I think most of the previous managers would have done worse actually. But that's because they suck, not because Gattuso is special.

However, the football has been so disgustingly terrible that if sending an official note that says "Thank you Rino, now you're out" is not the very first thing the management do after the season is over, I will be very worried about the future of Milan. I can't understand how anyone who's watched our games this season would like us to continue in the same direction.
Even result wise he hasn't done that well. How many more points do we have than last season? And that is with Paqueta and Piatek (who won us a lot of points).

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Even result wise he hasn't done that well. How many more points do we have than last season? And that is with Paqueta and Piatek (who won us a lot of points).

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Plus the fact that our position or possibility of reaching the CL has more to do with our rivals self-destruction than our ability.

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Sure, results are not that good either. But still better than the predecessors in that regard. We had not even been close to CL the last day of the season for a while, maybe since that Osvaldo goal? When was that?

At any rate, I think Gattuso needs to go. When I say playing poorly I don’t mean a style preference only. We concede a lot of chances and create very little. We don’t control games either with or without the ball.

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Regarding style . . . I've been thinking. Could *any* other manager have gotten *this* group of players to play attractive football? Perhaps a defensive, grinta style is the one that suits the group. In which case, gattuso may pay the price for mistakes made by others.

I doubt really know one way or the other. Just posing the question.
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Regarding style . . . I've been thinking. Could *any* other manager have gotten *this* group of players to play attractive football? Perhaps a defensive, grinta style is the one that suits the group. In which case, gattuso may pay the price for mistakes made by others.

I doubt really know one way or the other. Just posing the question.
Yes. The problem is not playing attractive football. The problem is playing erratic football and treating every team like it's Pep's Barcelona. Just last match, a team that was relegated was allowed to play like they were CL finalist. Yes I'm talking about Frosinone and how they almost went ahead and Milan were playing like they were already qualified for Champions League. But this has been going on for a while and IMO reached a peak when Milan allowed a 10 men Sassuolo to dominate Milan in San Siro the last 20-25 minutes. To fall back and let to a 10 men team dictate the game in your own stadium?

As far as the erratic football. You have what I call worthless possession, just pass around till the ball gets to Donnarumma. Rarely verticalizing(aka no threat) and never using the strength of the attacking players. The team has no idea what a counterattack is. Also why not have 2 strikers upfront to relieve the pressure on Piatek and Suso, but fuck that. There's managers who play to the strength of their players and make their players better. Than there's managers that make their players worse. You all know where Gattuso belongs on that list. If Gattuso doesn't leave, I see a regression coming from most of our players.
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Regarding style . . . I've been thinking. Could *any* other manager have gotten *this* group of players to play attractive football? Perhaps a defensive, grinta style is the one that suits the group. In which case, gattuso may pay the price for mistakes made by others.

I doubt really know one way or the other. Just posing the question.
I think for sure. For one thing, it's really been as low as it gets in that aspect. For another, almost all Serie A teams have played more attractive football than us, and most of them have weaker squads. We know this Milan roster is far from Brazil 82' and defensive styles do tend to work better with limited players, but we also definitely have enough skilled footballers not to play the nastiest football in Serie A.

More importantly, I strongly agree with doc. We have consistently made things difficult for ourselves. Just look at our wins this season, even the ones by more than a goal. In many of them, the opposition had at least as many clear chances as we did. We also looked incredibly uncomfortable, either defending or attacking. The attacking game plan remains pass to Suso, run to the box, even when Suso was in horrible form.The defensive game plan was 10 players in our ow third.

Donnarumma, Piatek in absurd form, and the odd alternative saviors made ALL the difference. That's why I kept talking about "luck." Surely it was a bad way to put it, but it was blatantly obvious it would not last if we did not improve. That's the way of midtable teams, who when their 2-3 good players lose form, get injured, or are sold and not adequately replaced, become relegation candidates.

What I give to Gattuso beside the defensive improvement and a few other things (not unimportant, including developing Donnarumma for example) above all is his ability to sustain those good runs of results. It's not a coincidence. He clearly injects belief in the team for some time. He's probably a great coach to take over a team during a bad year and turn their season around. Like Montella just did for Fiore.

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Regardless of our ugly style of football, if we qualify for the UCL it’s a huge result for Gattuso, one that cannot be neglected. We should not replace him with somebody like Inzaghi imo. Only if a proven coach can be brought in, Gattuso should be sacked.
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Would be awesome!
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Would be awesome!
I was waiting for that reaction

It definitely would be a huge boost. I'm not a big fan of Allegri, but his capacity is beyond doubt at this point. It's a year with many top managers available, but it would be quite a coup for us really, considering he's one of the most in-demand managers today.
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The most experienced coach we would have since ... Allegri

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+ 5 years of winning experience....
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I was waiting for that reaction

It definitely would be a huge boost. I'm not a big fan of Allegri, but his capacity is beyond doubt at this point. It's a year with many top managers available, but it would be quite a coup for us really, considering he's one of the most in-demand managers today.
Needless to say I have always been a fan of Allegri’s pragmatic and honest style of management. A gentleman as well.
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Also a man who has delivered close to perfect results with every club he’s worked at since the day he started as a coach. Attractive football? Winning football is attractive to me.
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Regardless of our ugly style of football, if we qualify for the UCL it’s a huge result for Gattuso, one that cannot be neglected. We should not replace him with somebody like Inzaghi imo. Only if a proven coach can be brought in, Gattuso should be sacked.
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