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post #1 of 52 (permalink) Old November 10th, 2015, 03:53 Thread Starter
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Historical Crises at Milan

I had some free time due to a delayed plane (with wifi) at an airport and was just looking at some stats about consecutive seasons in which we have done poorly in the League -- generally I think of doing poorly as in finishing the season around or lower than 6th.

Milan's worst consecutive runs of seasons, in chronological order, have been:

- Between 1923 and 1926 (8th, 8th, 7th) in what was a generally not great decade;

- Between 1929 and 1931 (11th and 12th);

- Between 1932 and 1936 (11th, 9th, 10th, 11th);

- Between 1938 and 1940 (9th and 8th, but also a Coppa Semi Final);

- Between 1941 and 1943 (10th and 6th, but also went to Coppa Final);

- Between 1965 and 1967 (7th and 8th but we won the Coppa);

- We were relegated twice, first in 1979-80 and then in 1981-1982, first because of the Totonero Scandal, and then because we sucked. We did win Serie B immediately after each relegation, and then were mediocre-ish between 1983 and 1987 (6th, 5th, 7th, 5th). We did win the Mitropa Cup, at that time not such a big deal, during the second relegation season.

- Between 1996 and 1998 (10th and 11th, but went to a Coppa Final);

- Between 2013 and 2019 (8th, 10th, 7th, 6th, 6th and 5th; went to two Coppa Finals, one of which was a humiliating defeat to Juventus, and won a Super Coppa).


All in all, this obviously is not as bad as our very worst crises, but it's pretty damn bad. We've been there and have come back stronger, and it's actually not that uncommon. At the same time, we actually have not been there that many times; not without winning anything like a Cup at least. We are talking about nine of these crises in more than 110 total seasons; less that one crisis per decade. Of course every time it's different, but it would be interesting to see those periods with more details, for example if there's some kind of pattern of rebuilding after each one, or if they follow a particular kind of event (i.e. Rivera retiring or Baresi getting injured).

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If the history of such crises was examined throughout the history of club football you'd perhaps find that poor planning (especially financial) would be the biggest reason.
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Hmm interesting, thanks for doing the research.

So this isn't the biggest crisis, but the question is if we've earlier been this far away from the top in terms of squad quality? As things go now, I can't see us winning the Coppa for an example and would be very happy for even an EL spot. But considering how we've been playing so far, not even that looks that likely.

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Let's celebrate the fact that this isn't the worst Milan EVER like we had won the Scudetto ...

Cause we won't come close to winning a real one for many years.
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the question is if we've earlier been this far away from the top in terms of squad quality?
True, but the top teams are not particularly good, at least now that Juve seems to have fallen from grace. Roma, Napoli, Inter, Fiore are not among the best teams in Europe like top teams in Italy were pretty much until this last decade.

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If the history of such crises was examined throughout the history of club football you'd perhaps find that poor planning (especially financial) would be the biggest reason.
Not sure about what you mean about "through club football", but you're probably right about the financial planning part. That's probably become a bigger thing now though, since finance has also become more complex and overall more important in society overall and in football.

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Let's celebrate the fact that this isn't the worst Milan EVER like we had won the Scudetto ...

Cause we won't come close to winning a real one for many years.
I'll get just not celebrating

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If the history of such crises was examined throughout the history of club football you'd perhaps find that poor planning (especially financial) would be the biggest reason.
No, I'd say it's mostly because B&G.

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In Italy, club cycles are reflective of those of owners of the clubs... if the owner makes alot of money from his own personal business empire and wealth then that is reflected on the club as funds become almost unlimited, the nature of business is different for each owner.. for example the Agnellis arent doing as bad as Berlusconi and Moratti as Exorr and Fiat are having good profits, I think if Moratti didnt sell the club Inter would still be in a similar position to Milan... the difference between Roma and Lazio is obviously the owner and how much he wants to invest in the club... Lazio's best years were under Sergio Cragnotti he came and changed history in Lazio, investing in big players, and the club's downfall started when he left....

That is one part, another reason for such cycles or 'crises' is when a key figure such as a high profile manager or player leaves, we saw that in this era when Ferguson left Man United....

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Not sure about what you mean about "through club football", but you're probably right about the financial planning part. That's probably become a bigger thing now though, since finance has also become more complex and overall more important in society overall and in football.

Just meant that beyond Milan and in club football overall. You're right that the financial side is of greater importance now than it was.


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No, I'd say it's mostly because B&G.

Well they are the dynamic duo that are responsible for the planning and the money, so yeah.
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The cycle or crisis won't end without drastic change, it's a matter of new thinking not even money per se. Kind of same way Berlu did it in late 80s, may be someone who drags whole of Italian football with him, not just Milan in particular.
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In Italy, club cycles are reflective of those of owners of the clubs... if the owner makes alot of money from his own personal business empire and wealth then that is reflected on the club as funds become almost unlimited, the nature of business is different for each owner.. for example the Agnellis arent doing as bad as Berlusconi and Moratti as Exorr and Fiat are having good profits, I think if Moratti didnt sell the club Inter would still be in a similar position to Milan... the difference between Roma and Lazio is obviously the owner and how much he wants to invest in the club... Lazio's best years were under Sergio Cragnotti he came and changed history in Lazio, investing in big players, and the club's downfall started when he left....

That is one part, another reason for such cycles or 'crises' is when a key figure such as a high profile manager or player leaves, we saw that in this era when Ferguson left Man United....

Milan will be back, it is just a matter of time..
And when they return, they won't be # 2 anymore but more than likely # 3 or perhaps #4…behind the likes of:

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2. Barcelona
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This isn't the worst Milan ever. We'll need two-three more years of disastrous results to achieve that. Just think of us between 1932 and 1936 (11th, 9th, 10th, 11th) (source: van). Ok, you would have to be 90 or older to remember, but still ...

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Wrong thread, but sure, the early 80's as already mentioned wasn't a proud moment either.
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Yeah I just moved it here as it certainly made more sense than having it in the "Say something nice" thread. That surely was our truly deepest crisis ever, only time Milan got relegated on the field.

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And when they return, they won't be # 2 anymore but more than likely # 3 or perhaps #4…behind the likes of:

1.REAL MADRID
2. Barcelona
3. Bayern
thats fine with me. better than the current position

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Hmm interesting, thanks for doing the research.

So this isn't the biggest crisis, but the question is if we've earlier been this far away from the top in terms of squad quality?
In a relative shape compared to how football is and what the profits and stature of club is I would say this is our biggest crisis with only back when we were relegated to be compared, but back then football was different and it was easier for clubs to compete.

We have done extraordinarily bad considering our resources. but right now we done so badly that we are actually draining those resources, a few more years like this and we are in a position were we really need those investments everyone think we need now.

Truth is that we shouldn't need them. Way, way to many clubs do much better than us with half or less than our profits. All made to look even worse considering that few clubs in serie A got their shit together.
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Continuing on what Johan said. This team has been in the top 3 in wages for the past 3 years and #2 in revenue. And if you look at what some other teams are spending(and still ending up ahead of Milan) not only is this the worst period, but a total disaster.

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And when they return, they won't be # 2 anymore but more than likely # 3 or perhaps #4…behind the likes of:

1.REAL MADRID
2. Barcelona
3. Bayern
true.

Of course if the Chinese ownership of Milan should go through (and I'm in no way 100% positive that it will, but maybe it just might will). Then the new scenario could indeed change things totally.
We all know that money is important in todays football, and if the Chinese (goverment) decides that Milan is to become their team, I could kind of put my money on Milan coming close to lifting it's 8th in the next few years.
Almost logics

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In a relative shape compared to how football is and what the profits and stature of club is I would say this is our biggest crisis with only back when we were relegated to be compared, but back then football was different and it was easier for clubs to compete.

We have done extraordinarily bad considering our resources. but right now we done so badly that we are actually draining those resources, a few more years like this and we are in a position were we really need those investments everyone think we need now.

Truth is that we shouldn't need them. Way, way to many clubs do much better than us with half or less than our profits. All made to look even worse considering that few clubs in serie A got their shit together.
All very true.
IMHO Milan are facing an identity crisis. Being Milan and not Lazio or Bologna can only make things far more difficult these days.
If the new Chinese ownwerhip goes through money could be flowing in and all of a sudden we could again become competitive.
These days we spend money but not as much as needed in order to think big.
Anyway, Real Madid had a 28 year CLess phase, Barca was nothing till 10 years or so ago, Juve has not lifted the thing since 96 and true we are a disaster right now, but.....if we jus trusted in Lucifer who knows!

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