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Old October 10th, 2006, 03:25   #41
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What our football mob do is nothing compare with other countries,yes they bribe some ref,maybe even opposite players,some tranfers are not so clean like that but it is stick only to football....they are not criminals with links to drugs,weapons and so on.....
Is that so? If you believe in that you might still think that one day Santa Claus will bring you a Ferrari driven by Angelina Jolie for Xmas.
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Old October 13th, 2006, 05:17   #42
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Is that so? If you believe in that you might still think that one day Santa Claus will bring you a Ferrari driven by Angelina Jolie for Xmas.


Now I know what I want for Christmas.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 01:50   #43
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Bens pessoais arrestados
José Veiga demite-se do Benfica

14.11.2006 - 22h44
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O director-geral da SAD do Benfica, José Veiga, apresentou hoje a sua demissão na sequência do arresto dos móveis da sua casa, alegadamente por decisão dos tribunais.

Em entrevista ao Jornal Nacional da TVI, José Veiga revelou que está "fora do Benfica" e que já não vai acompanhar a equipa a Braga, onde sábado defronta o Sporting local, em encontro da 10ª jornada da Liga.

Segundo a notícia avançada pela TVI, vários bens pessoais do director-geral da SAD do Benfica foram retirados da sua casa de Cascais para duas carrinhas de transporte, por ordem de dois funcionários que executaram o arresto.

"Trabalhei com dedicação ao longo destes dois anos e meio, dei o corpo às balas, mas agora tudo chegou ao fim", disse José Veiga, frisando não querer que os seus "assuntos pessoais" interfiram com o Benfica".

Segundo o dirigente do clube "encarnado", o arresto dos móveis prende-se com "um processo que se arrasta há muitos anos vindo do Luxemburgo", onde estava sedeada a sua empresa Superfute.

José Veiga explicou que o diferendo com o Banco Dexia, que reclama um milhão de euros, surge a partir do momento em que este considerou que uma operação de compra e venda de acções era um financiamento, enquanto o dirigente "encarnado" defende tratar-se de uma operação financeira.

"Tive uma reunião com o meu presidente, Luís Filipe Vieira, e pus o lugar à disposição, porque não vou estar disponível para continuar a trabalhar no Benfica desta forma. A partir deste momento entreguei a minha demissão, estou fora do Benfica e não quero ocupar mais nenhum cargo", afirmou José Veiga.

"Não tolero o que está a acontecer, o Benfica não tem nada a ver com esta situação e se não estivesse no cargo que ocupava no Benfica isto provavelmente nunca tinha acontecido", acrescentou, sugerindo que o objectivo "é denegrir" a sua imagem, sem, contudo, explicar quem estaria interessado nisso.

José Veiga, 43 anos, ocupava o cargo de director-geral da SAD do Benfica desde 2004, onde sucedeu a Luís Filipe Vieira, após uma carreira como empresário ligado às transferências de jogadores, tendo ainda estado ligado ao Estoril-Praia como sócio maioritário.
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Old November 19th, 2006, 23:33   #44
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This one should obviously be posted in Benfica's forum but because Bier thinks that it is bad to criticise his "Institution" in their own "nest", I've chosen another thread...more or less randomly

Um Recorde Divino
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Em tempo de vacas magras, de dificuldades infinitamente confessadas, de guerras intermináveis no Iraque e de uma ameaça global ao terrorismo, o mundo lusitano, encontrou no recorde do Benfica, um feito inolvidável, uma gesta à altura das grandes epopeias da nossa história.
A “instituição” como tão orgulhosamente Luís Filipe Vieira (LFV) lhe chama, é um caso sério de sucesso, de quem rema contra a maré, que bate recordes e está nas bocas do mundo.

Mas ao comum observador do futebol português (desatento por natureza), que olha normalmente estas coisas com os olhos bem fechados, sorrindo, tentando fingir que percebe destas coisas, o recorde do Benfica é um feito para ficar gravado nos anais da história, porque aos seus olhos, por mais fechados que estejam, o Benfica é o maior clube do mundo, e o seu, a seu dono, LFV sendo o grande timoneiro da nau encarnada, é ele o responsável por mais esta glória.
O homem comum, o pai de família, o que se convencionou chamar de bom português, benfiquista (patriotismo oblige) é bombardeado durante dias, com laudatórios cânticos, que cantados em coro, pelos quatro ventos, ajudam a glorificação do líder encarnado.

O SLB antes de Vieira sempre foi o clube do povo, um clube orgulhosamente honrado das suas raízes populares. Alicerçado na paixão sem limites dos seus milhões de adeptos. Um clube que conquistou a glória em Portugal e na Europa e que licitamente encheu de orgulho o coração dos benfiquistas e dos portugueses em geral.
Foi sempre um clube do povo é verdade, mas liderado por cavalheiros, que honravam e primavam pelos valores da liberdade, da fraternidade e da igualdade, e pelos valores democráticos, muito antes de haver democracia em Portugal.
Com os seus feitos, as suas vitórias e inúmeras glórias, o Benfica identificou-se com o povo e o povo com o Benfica.
Mas LFV foi mais longe, não só hoje em dia o Benfica é um clube do povo, como é um clube onde reina o primado da plebe. O Benfica é de todos, como ele não se cansa de dizer, dirigido de dentro para fora, por selfmade men que de mangas arregaçadas, orgulhosos de terem só e não mais que a 4ª classe, lutam contra doutores e engravatados. E toda essa corja que estraga o futebol português.

O Discurso de Vieira não enaltece só as virtudes do seu humilde berço, vai mais longe e glorifica a sua pouca escolaridade, como se os livros mordessem ou o conhecimento, a educação e a sabedoria fossem uma coisa pegajosa, contagiosa e pior que isso, sinónimo de corrupção moral e de valores.
Ao fazer-se jus a iliteracia, apelando ao coração do povo encarnado, Vieira, muito bem secundado pelos seus acólitos (internos e na comunicação social), lançou a ideia de uma cruzada, que só ele pode combater e vencer.

No clube onde não há doutores e engravatados, há contudo predestinados. Vide a biografia oficial de Vieira, tal como as biografias oficiosas, lançadas amiúde na imprensa e vemos ali o herói impoluto, nascido em berço humilde, batalhador, um filho pródigo do povo, “um de nós”, que subiu bem alto à custa do suor do seu trabalho.
Mas no Benfica temos mais que isso, temos a predestinação de um líder, personificada em Vieira. Personificação essa que é alimentada ad nausea, por uma imprensa subserviente e inexplicavelmente maravilhada por tal figura.
Não se trata de um simples caso de boa imprensa, como tem por exemplo Paulo Bento, o Professor Jesualdo Ferreira, ou Felipe Soares Franco. Não é sequer aquela pequenez tão portuguesa de levantar os nossos nomes maiores tão alto, de fazer de Mourinho uma espécie de Senhor intocável, um Rei Midas dos tempos modernos; ou então falando de Figo, que ao ler a nossa imprensa nunca fez um jogo mau na vida.
Quando se trata de LFV, trata-se de um caso despudorado de deificação. Vieira “caminha em ombros” para uma divinização em vida.

Se fossem outros tempos, quiçá a crónica da vida de Vieira, começasse numa cesta abandonada nas margens de um rio, que o acaso levaria corrente abaixo até ao Seixal, onde num charco uma águia, por miraculosa intervenção divina, logo se vê, poderia amamentar o futuro príncipe, que por desígnios divinos, tinha fugido de uma vida de escravidão.
Talvez crescido e acompanhado do seu inseparável companheiro (Veiga?), marcaria com um arado na terra virgem as fundações de uma nova cidade (Desportiva obviamente) e sobre o olhar protector da águia, símbolo imperial por excelência, como a história sempre nos demonstrou, guiar o seu povo, o eleito, à glória e ao futuro.
Aí se fundamenta a esperança dos milhões que o seguem, povo esse que não é por certo uma das tribos perdidas de Israel, mas também Moisés não era Vieira, pois limitou-se a dar-lhes os mandamentos, nunca pensou em grande, nem ousou vir a inscrever o seu povo no livro de recordes do Guinness.

Olhando as páginas impressas sobre LFV, a glorificação permanente, o discurso populista, prontamente avalizado e assinado por baixo, pelos experts da nossa praça, fazendo de Vieira uma espécie de Dédalo, criador de maravilhas, sejam elas os Kits de sócio, ou um canal de televisão no Cabo. Eu pergunto-me até onde irá esta cegueira?
Não será o Dédalo que aqueles olhos vêem, afinal um Ícaro, que munido das suas asas de cera, se acha invencível e capaz de voar tão alto, que ousará um dia tocar o sol, inconsciente que a cera derrete ao calor dos raios solares?

O futuro nos reservará a resposta. Não me compete a mim profetizar. Talvez a Maya , essa sim mais virada para predestinações, nos possa elucidar nesta tarefa e adiantar-nos alguma pista.
Eu sei é que enquanto Vieira for presidente da “Instituição”, terei sempre grandes páginas laudatórias a sua pessoa, obviamente na imprensa lisboeta, pois a norte não se alimenta essa fogueira de vaidades da Luz.
Não obstante, ter o Porto também o seu iluminado Rei Absoluto, ou Sumo Pontifíce, mas isso são histórias para outras crónicas.

Eu que já nasci em tempo democráticos, que só sei histórias da “velha senhora”, de ler ou ouvir contar e que já me escaldei com os populismos leoninos de Jorge Gonçalves e Sousa Cintra, faz-me impressão este estado de coisas, faz-me perguntar porquê está divinização de Luís Filipe Vieira? Que já fez este homem para receber tal tratamento?

Porventura, aqueles a quem já só falta cantar Hossanas ao líder encarnado, não eram aqueles que defendiam a pés juntos, quando não era de punho cerrado ou de caneta bem levantada, a maravilhosa direcção de João Vale e Azevedo?
Fica a questão, sem resposta, assim cada um pode decidir por si.

P.S. Scolari começou a ter que dar a mão à palmatória. Será que vai a tempo?
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Old January 1st, 2007, 23:21   #45
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I'm not Portuguese so forgive my ignorance, but is this investigation never-ending or is it expected to finish at some point soon? What has been discovered so far? Have there been any phone-taps published like in the Italian corruption case? And what were the main revelations in Carolina Salgado's book? Thanks!
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You're asking too many questions kit...but before answering any of them allow me to ask you one thing: how come, not being Portuguese, you know of the existence of Carolina Salgado's book?
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That's what I'm curious about.
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I'm not Portuguese so forgive my ignorance, but is this investigation never-ending or is it expected to finish at some point soon? What has been discovered so far? Have there been any phone-taps published like in the Italian corruption case? And what were the main revelations in Carolina Salgado's book? Thanks!
I will skip the apparent new requirement to prove your nationality and try to answer your questions in this tainted thread.

The investigation, as pretty much anything big in Portugal, is taking a lot of time and is expect to take some more. Some trials are about to start, but other cases are just now being investigated.

A lot of stuff has been discovered so far, from referee bribing to result fixing, but the tricky part is getting the evidence to stand in Portugal. Unfortunately, and this is ridiculous, a lot of the phone taps may be completely ignored due to technicalities.

Regarding the book, there was not much, if anything, new. What's new here is that the woman as come forward with the accusation and says that she can prove it. Let's wait and hope that she can.
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You're asking too many questions kit...but before answering any of them allow me to ask you one thing: how come, not being Portuguese, you know of the existence of Carolina Salgado's book?
Hello, fellow Bill Hicks fan. I may well ask why someone in Sweden is writing about Portuguese football in English? Anyway, Carolina's beauty, charm and chasteness have made her internationally celebrated - didn't you know?

Thanks for the reply Gein(?), although I didn't really understand this comment: "I will skip the apparent new requirement to prove your nationality and try to answer your questions in this tainted thread."

I mentioned my non-Portugueseness only to explain the basic-ness of my questions.

"the tricky part is getting the evidence to stand in Portugal"

There's the same problem in England regarding club officials taking cuts from transfers. Everybody believes it goes on, proving it is another matter. Agents are seen as the main cause of corruption, don't know if it's the same in Portugal.

"Unfortunately, and this is ridiculous, a lot of the phone taps may be completely ignored due to technicalities."

Damn those pesky technicalities. Have any of the transcripts been leaked to the media though? Most of the juicy stuff came out in Italy that way.

"Regarding the book, there was not much, if anything, new."

But surely the revelation Pinto da Costa's flatulence was so bad she had to walk after him lighting matches was new? Although that may be mistranslation on my part.

As I understand it a lot of people, including the head of the league and the refs have been arrested, but the main big fish charged is the Porto prez, who is accused of having refs round to his house, and even sending them away on holiday (hookers all included) to Brazil (I thought this was traditional in Portugal?). Also heavies threatening or actually duffing up refs, journalists and politicians.
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Hello, fellow Bill Hicks fan. I may well ask why someone in Sweden is writing about Portuguese football in English? Anyway, Carolina's beauty, charm and chasteness have made her internationally celebrated - didn't you know?
No, I didn't but I am very happy to know it now.

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There's the same problem in England regarding club officials taking cuts from transfers. Everybody believes it goes on, proving it is another matter. Agents are seen as the main cause of corruption, don't know if it's the same in Portugal.
Agents are seen as saints in Portugal. One of them was until very recently the number 2 in one of the top clubs over here and it seems that he will return to his post sooner or later.

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Damn those pesky technicalities. Have any of the transcripts been leaked to the media though? Most of the juicy stuff came out in Italy that way.
Yes, there was a lot of juicy stuff coming out. Personally one of my favourites was when the above mentioned agent 002 Veiga, called Liga's president and told him that if he would choose a certain ref for his club's match he would give him a kiss.


He's the one on the right. The one on the left is a very serious person...hmmm

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But surely the revelation Pinto da Costa's flatulence was so bad she had to walk after him lighting matches was new? Although that may be mistranslation on my part.
She was lightning cigarrettes not matches...but tbh everybody knew already that he stinks.

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As I understand it a lot of people, including the head of the league and the refs have been arrested, but the main big fish charged is the Porto prez, who is accused of having refs round to his house, and even sending them away on holiday (hookers all included) to Brazil (I thought this was traditional in Portugal?). Also heavies threatening or actually duffing up refs, journalists and politicians.
The head of the league was arrested but he is already out. Over there in Portugal only the small fish get caught however this time it seems that the judicial system is taking this case more seriously than it used to so there might be some surprises happening sooner or later.
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currently, my fav story has to do with the joao pinto "transfer" to sporting
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currently, my fav story has to do with the joao pinto "transfer" to sporting
,now Filipe should shut his mouth and say nothing more about vieira or veiga or whatever,this joao pinto case shows how Sporting works.
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,now Filipe should shut his mouth and say nothing more about vieira or veiga or whatever,this joao pinto case shows how Sporting works.
Until now the only accused in this story is João Pinto and having in mind who was his agent at the time I am not surprised that he ends up being the one harmed at the end of it.

I though only idiots would believe that there is such thing as a zero costs transfer in today's football but I never cease to be amazed by certain people around here.
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in this proccess, the tango was danced by at least 4 elements...

- sporting (the buyer)
- joao pinto ( the traded goods)
- veiga ( the middle man)
- vale e azevedo ( the salesman) -> will he ever get out of prison
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in this proccess, the tango was danced by at least 4 elements...

- sporting (the buyer)
- joao pinto ( the traded goods)
- veiga ( the middle man)
- vale e azevedo ( the salesman) -> will he ever get out of prison
If by "tango" you mean the business, yes you are right. If you mean that all of the four were guilty of something wrong that still remains to be proved. Or do you also have inside information that you only slightly mention but not entirely reveal?
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im in favour of keeping some suspense
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Over there in Portugal only the small fish get caught
I wonder if there's a country in the world where this isn't true...

Although Vale e Azevedo is in jail, and fish don't get no bigger in Portugal than Benfica president right?

"When we presented Sigurd Rushfeldt to the associates and to the fans he urinated in his pants because of the excitement and the pressure, that's why we called the deal off."

Talking of bribery, was Howard King one of the first refs to speak out about it, or just one in a long line?
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‘Veiga Affair’
Suspicions of money laundring on João Pinto's deal

by Ana Isabel Abrunhosa
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12.01.2007


Sporting is now only assisting in the process but still owes to the player and to the tax authorities.

The investigators are following the track of the money that left Sporting, passed through the England based company, Goodstone, and finally reached João Pinto. Apart from tax evasion, the player and the football agent José Veiga are suspect of the crime of money laundring.

The club agreed on paying around 4,2 million euros when they signed João Pinto in 2000, after the player finished his contract with Benfica. They made three payments until 2002, one by cheque and two by bank transfers for London's Barclays in the name of the company Goodstone. The total value was of 3,4 million euros.

However it is not yet known on which year did João Pinto receive that money and in what condition was that money paid for. As prize money, wage or commission? Without answer to these and to (many) other questions it is impossible to know if the Statecan still or not receive the due amount of tax money owned - both by the player, and by the club. This due to the fact that thee kind of tax varies according to the different scenarios.

"Expresso" contacted the specialists in Fiscal Law Medina Carreira, Diogo Leite de Campos, Saldanha Sanches and Ricardo Borges. We also reveaö the key-questions of this investigation. In tomorrow's edition.

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I wish Sporting can pay what we owe as much as I want to see certain people involved in this affair behind the bars of a jail.
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Bunch of cheats!
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Bunch of cheats!
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sim...eles "coijo", mergulham
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