Pascal Nouma's incident?

kubi · April 23rd, 2003, 17:30

So after Nouma's incident,they were many discussions on this board and elsewhere too.He has apologized for his behaviour,but still he got fired by Besiktas.Do you think Besiktas' board were right and that his gesture deserved a firing,or do you think they overreacted and should have keep him?

Cengo · April 23rd, 2003, 17:40

It was a totally correct decision!

April 23rd, 2003, 17:41

was it that bad?

Cengo · April 23rd, 2003, 17:46

Look at it like this: If he had done that on the streets anywhere in Turkey he would either have been beaten up or the police would have arrested him. What he did is a criminal action in Turkey...its against our culture and our principles. You have to understand that we are a muslim country and millions of people saw him playing with his crownjewels.

If the guy had some brains he would have known that this was going to happen!

He is lucky that there isnt any trial against him!

gravesends · April 23rd, 2003, 17:53

Well I wasn't expecting him to be fired but then again I don't disagree with the decision, it could have been done both ways and would have been allright. I don't think they had the intentions of keeping Nouma after the summer anyways so it worked out good for Besiktas that Nouma messed up now.

GalataSun · April 23rd, 2003, 18:53

I think bjk board over-reacted... they probably were trying to find a way to get rid of him anyways because they didnt want him in the first place but only supporters wanted him (they actually loved him :p )

Cüneyt Arkın · April 23rd, 2003, 19:02

I sort of think it is the right decision and the wrong decision, yes it goes against our nations principles and no because Besiktas could have just fined him of his wages for 6 weeks or something, bit of an over reaction from both parties...

carlito · April 24th, 2003, 07:51

over reacted.

as much as he is was over board, people exaggerated his behaviour, and even though the board had agreed not to fire him the day before, they only got affected by the media and fooled themselves by firing him the day after.

Most Besiktas fans will react to this harshly imo.

Largo · April 24th, 2003, 10:38

If u attack a referee u get a 3 match suspension, ýf u repeatedly kick another player while he was on the ground u get a 6 match suspension, ýf u delibaretly injure an opposition player u get a 1-2 match suspension, if u and a couple of r mates beat the shit out of some reporters just because they were taking pictures of u then u will receive no punishment whatsoever. But if u pull an Al Bundy while celebrating an important goal suddenly u r the public enemy. Why is that? The answer is simple : Turkish traditions do condemn violence but do not tolerate any kind of explicitly sexual references. The fact that while discussing Nouma's love for his balls noone semed to be interested about the knife that had been thrown to the pitch; is yet another spectacle in the name of the so-called Turkish moral and ethic values. And believe me even if the knife would injure or kill someone we would still talking about Nouma. I am gettin tired of this hypocrisy!

April 24th, 2003, 10:40

agree

April 24th, 2003, 10:41

but i don't excuse the act of nouma, he shouldn't do that.
you have to respect the tradition of a country if you live in

Cengo · April 24th, 2003, 10:53

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Originally posted by Largo
If u attack a referee u get a 3 match suspension, ýf u repeatedly kick another player while he was on the ground u get a 6 match suspension, ýf u delibaretly injure an opposition player u get a 1-2 match suspension, if u and a couple of r mates beat the shit out of some reporters just because they were taking pictures of u then u will receive no punishment whatsoever. But if u pull an Al Bundy while celebrating an important goal suddenly u r the public enemy. Why is that? The answer is simple : Turkish traditions do condemn violence but do not tolerate any kind of explicitly sexual references. The fact that while discussing Nouma's love for his balls noone semed to be interested about the knife that had been thrown to the pitch; is yet another spectacle in the name of the so-called Turkish moral and ethic values. And believe me even if the knife would injure or kill someone we would still talking about Nouma. I am gettin tired of this hypocrisy!

My friend you have a valid point....but is this the first time Nouma does anything stupid?

How many times have we witnessed him doing idiotic things?

He has headbutted players, he have punched them, he has fought with journalists, he has thrown his cellular towards his coach (Scala)...and much more!!

So where do you think the Besiktas board should draw the line?

Is it better to just overlook the incident by fining him...or is it better to send a message that this kind of behaviour will not be accepted because then you will end up like Nouma with the tail between your legs!!

Once again i applaud the Besiktas board for taking this decision!!

Largo · April 24th, 2003, 11:20

Warfalcon yours points are valid too no doubt about that my friend. I have no problem with the decision of Beþiktas's board regarding the dismissal of Nouma. I just hope the that in the future the Turkish football world can be that united in condemning violent acts as well. I still remember the unpleasant scenes of the after match brawl durin the ankaragücü-G.Birliði derby and did expect some similiar reactions from the ankaragücü board like the what beþiktas did. However that did not happen and like always everybody involved got away with it. ( I think the guy who was brutally kicking the genclerbirliði player after that match just because he was celebrating the win was banned for 4 matches or something. Also Ümit Davala was selected to the Turkish NT immediately after his incident with the photographers. His trial is still pending and i will be surpised if he gets the sentence he really deserves since time passes by and the media lost interest in his case.)

Jemster · April 24th, 2003, 15:05

Whilst I agree with Warfalcon that Pascal had to go, I also agree that there is mass hipocracy in the whole thing as highlighted by Largo. In a football league where crowds brawl for hours before kick off, objects (including knives) are thrown on to the pitch relentlessly, players spit at referees, or take drugs but get minimal punishment. Pascal being sent packing is surprising... Let's hope that others take example from now on and act in the same way. However, I very much remain uncomvinced that took that decision because of their morals. I think it was more a case of convenience...

carlito · April 24th, 2003, 21:47

http://www.ajansspor.com/futbol/habe...&haberID=46669

well he may not go

just another typical turkish management. if u dont investigate what are the laws, rules and regulatyions and take a decision, u r doommed to being a fool. we will never learn

Hakan · April 25th, 2003, 02:19

I haven't actually seen the incident, but read he could have got upto 1 month in jail

I do see Largo point and somewhat agree. However if it was another player, I wonder if the circumstances would have been the same? Although as mentioned, Nouma has been more than trouble for BJK and this was the straw the broke the camel's back.

If it was done in any other profession, I'm sure they too would get fired, however in such atmosphere and matches, players can do crazy things.

I think that the whole episode has been blown up, BUT this is a good thing and an example to any other player.

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Originally posted by warfalcon
then you will end up like Nouma with the tail between your legs!!

That would explain why he had his hands down his pants...

F0RZA KARTAL · March 4th, 2005, 03:30

The whole Nouma situation was overly exaggerated. I don't wanna hear this culture crap... especially when it comes to soccer. We are the most uncultured soccer society. We have thousands of fans cursing players/coaches/refs mothers non stop for a 1/2 hour, people killing each other, people throwing objects on to the field, the need for thousands of police officers at games, theres no need for me to list these things we all know how it is..... Let's be real. Just because a guy put his hand on his c0ck after a goal is not a valid reason to throw a player off the team. He was a good player with an attitude/temper problem. Yea so what? ummm he is not the first player to have such a character. Nouma was feared by many and was made out to be this pyscho. It all comes down to Nouma showing FB who their daddy was in SSS.... some people in powerful positions couldnt handle this and heavy pressure was put on for Nouma to be sent off and sadly a great player was forced to leave Besiktas and the TFF. Very sad situation.... but all I can say is that he will always be remembered as a legend by many Besiktas fans. His departure fit his character.

F0RZA KARTAL · March 4th, 2005, 03:31

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Originally Posted by Cengo

Look at it like this: If he had done that on the streets anywhere in Turkey he would either have been beaten up or the police would have arrested him. What he did is a criminal action in Turkey...its against our culture and our principles. You have to understand that we are a muslim country and millions of people saw him playing with his crownjewels.

If the guy had some brains he would have known that this was going to happen!

He is lucky that there isnt any trial against him!

Thanks for the laugh.

F0RZA KARTAL · March 4th, 2005, 03:34

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Originally Posted by Largo

Turkish traditions do condemn violence but do not tolerate any kind of explicitly sexual references.

Have you seen a Turkish music video lately? explicit sexual references hahaha

Yea thats why there are whores all over major cities in Turkiye. Not only are they whores most of them are trannys. I don't buy the sexual explicity...

F0RZA KARTAL · March 4th, 2005, 03:36

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Originally Posted by Cengo

he has headbutted players, he have punched them, he has fought with journalists, he has thrown his cellular towards his coach (Scala)...and much more!!

hmm sounds a bit like Alpay. Although I dont remember Nouma bodyslamming a referee.

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Originally Posted by Cengo

Once again i applaud the Besiktas board for taking this decision!!

I'm sure you are buddy.