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Ero said:Hey Varvar,
, plus Montenegro will take a while to gain independence even if they vote for it.
Good luck
?? I couldn't care less man, I'm not preoccupied with other people's problemsSavo said:They wont .... so dont start cheering
Yugoslav Army Tries To Block Montenegrin Soccer Players From Albania. Yugoslav Army troops blocked a bus of the Montenegrin Olympic soccer team on 23 August, near the Albanian-Montenegrin border. The soccer players were on their way to Shkodra to play a friendly match, "Albanian Daily News" reported
Army officials said that federal authorities ordered the border crossing closed but, after one hour of negotiations, they allowed the bus to pass. The match ended 2:2.
Officials from Montenegro's Olympic Committee said recently that they will seek approval from the International Olympic Committee to participate in all games after the 2000 Olympics as a separate team under their own flag and not as part of a Yugoslav team (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 31 July 2000). The Soccer Association of Montenegro has contacted its counterparts in Croatia, Slovenia, and Macedonia to organize friendly games against their respective Olympic teams. (Fabian Schmidt)
I can get into a historical debate about your statement here (it is wrong) but it will suffice to say this. The "all Serbs and everywhere" ("Srbi svi i svugde") was first conjured by linguist Vuk Karadzic and founded upon studies into language characteristics across the Bakan region. Karadic was a Serb expansionist and extreme nationalist and his findings have since been shattered by actual historical documentation and analysis of data collected from the firs written records available. The sad thruth is that those disillusioned enough to beleive the theroy of a man without adequate qualifications to write a thesis on the origins of his own family tree, let alone the evolution of two people's numbering in the millions.red star forever said:Ero man, why are you getting all jumpy? I just stated a fact and torcida insults me by calling me a "hrvat" (God forbid). You can have Croatia, I was not questioning your right to your country, just indicating the origins of a part of your population and it came up in the conversation.
Now that isn't that hard to swallow is it??
I agree with you there man, completely. If someone is of Serbian origin, its nothing to hide. Petrovic is more a Serbian surname than Croatian, but that doesn't mean he is Serbian. If he says he is Croatian, so be it, he is. Just like Ivan Ergic says he's Serbian, so be it. In my book, he is Serbian just as much as anyone else.red star forever said:Ero, history books are written by different people, from different sources. Whether they are a reliable source or not is questionable. Even whether the people determining the reliability of those sources are "reliable" or not is questionable. You will always find different versions of the same events or people in history books, and people will always accept what they feel more comfortable with.
But I was talking about a real-life situation, real people and I already said, if anybody is interested (and if there are people from Zadar around here they would know), I can even get the name of the village from which my story originates.
I personally believe a person is what he feels he is, but that doesn't mean he can deny his roots. Now don't get me wrong, but everybody knows the origins of the Petrovic and Ivanisevic families, yet some choose to declare themselves as Croats. Fair enough, but that doesn't mean they can hide their origins, because we know them. I came to Australia (actually, I was born here) and maybe I can some day get really ticked off by my people and country and I'll say: " *uck you all, I'm Australian and don't want anything to do with Serbia"...but that doesn't change the fact that my roots ARE from Serbia..
Montenegrin soccer is not so strong as it is (well just look at the region's population).. The only good club is Sutjeska, which finished third and made the Intertoto Cup..Other than that you've got Zeta form Golubovci (who are headed by Savicevic) who are decent but I mean considering where they come from that tells you enough about the club! Just showing how poor some of Montenegrin clubs are, newly promoted FK Kom do not have it seems like enough money to pay entrance for the first division nor can they afford a suitable stadium to host their matches in (Buducnost supposedly wants 5000 $ per match for the rights of the stadium!).. As for good Montenegrin players... Heh, well for now things aren't looked upon that way (separation between Serbian and Montenegrin players doesn't exist.. all looked up on as being the same...) Most of the top youngsters remain in the Montenegrin clubs which are in the first division at the moment (i.e. Sutjeska, Zeta and Mogren of last season) such as 17 year old striker Purovic (of Sutjeska) who not too long along ago at a U17 EC Competition light up Serbia's opponents.. You've got the Brnovic brothers (decent hard working players...), Bogavac from Red Star (speedy, short and dangerous striker.. Ah, he's ok I guess, but he is known for missing a lot of easy chances), Delibasic (tall and good all-around striker) and Ognjenovic from PFC (the latter was a star in Buducnost.. but has been a bust for Partizan), hmm there are also Dragoslav Jeric, the current A keeper of the nt, Gluscevic (striker..just signed with Sparta Prague) etc..Super Croat said:Do you think Montenegrin soccer would suffer or soar if it played seperatly?