Is Magath Losing His Touch?

nkm · August 27th, 2011, 16:23

another wolsburg fail wtf

Tigerheart · August 27th, 2011, 16:27

Buying 30 new players takes time to build a team. Look at his first stint with Wolfsburg. no surprises here at all...

HajdukSplit♥ · August 27th, 2011, 16:37

Tiger beat me to it, a lot of new players brought in over the summer. They need to give him some time, they will be ok. Positions in the table change quickly after a string of results

dinamovac11 · September 8th, 2011, 03:37

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3275/...s-felix-magath

If this is true then...

He isn't going to get very far with this.. The players will be too scared to make a mistake! It is also a sign that the players are not listening to him.

Més Que Un Club · September 8th, 2011, 03:55

Tigerheart · September 8th, 2011, 12:04

It is not even legally allowed so it is basically bullshit.

Kajoo · September 9th, 2011, 18:10

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an unnecessary back-pass could cost a player €1,000 (£875), while a defender allowing a ball to bounce in front of him rather than clearing directly will be fined €500 (£440).

Tigerheart · September 11th, 2011, 18:23

Well, definitely Rangnick has not lost his touch. But that is because he never had one in the first place. I am sure this (=playing style and table position) is what we can expect of Schalke in the near future.

Rafo · September 12th, 2011, 09:21

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Originally Posted by Tigerheart

It is not even legally allowed so it is basically bullshit.

Are you sure about this?

Tigerheart · September 12th, 2011, 11:14

Yes, every player can take legal action against such "punishments". Making mistakes in a game can lead to you getting benched or not being played anymore but you cannot ask for money for making unintentional mistakes.

Magath can actually make those punishments because he is the boss, but a player that refuses cannot be fired and will always win the case in a legal court. Of course it is another thing if that player then will have a future as a starter for the club

but if all players refuse they cannot really be harmed.

Kajoo · September 12th, 2011, 23:12

they´ll call it "failing to follow team tactics" or "lack of discipline" instead and noone shall complain.

Tigerheart · September 13th, 2011, 12:18

You can call it whatever you want, it is still not legally justified. At least not in German law, I can't talk about other countries.

Kajoo · September 13th, 2011, 14:28

Tiger you are probably wrong now. Wasn´t Mandžukič fined just a week ago, after Freiburg loss ?

Tigerheart · September 13th, 2011, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Tigerheart

Yes, every player can take legal action against such "punishments". ... but a player that refuses cannot be fired and will always win the case in a legal court. ... but if all players refuse they cannot really be harmed.

I am 100% sure because when it was first announced it started big debates and a lot of lawyers and other legally knowledgable people gave their input. All said Magath couldn't win any court case with these fines.

nkm · September 13th, 2011, 16:39

The problem is, players won't go to court. Did Mandžukić go? Helmes?

Tigerheart · September 13th, 2011, 16:53

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Originally Posted by Tigerheart

Of course it is another thing if that player then will have a future as a starter for the club

but if all players refuse they cannot really be harmed.

I again just have to quote myself.

nkm · September 13th, 2011, 17:08

So we do understand each other. I thought that your point is that legal actions would somehow stop Magath, but I doubt that.

Fining players is controversial anyway, unless it's for breaking some rule, being late for training etc. Weren't Werder players also fined last year because they were crap? Like all of them?

WeserWunder · September 14th, 2011, 11:20

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Originally Posted by nkm

Weren't Werder players also fined last year because they were crap? Like all of them?

No. 50% of their September wages were allegedly frozen as a disciplinary action, but it was fully paid later, as otherwise it would be a serious breach of labor rights.