Patrick Paauwe leaves after 8 years
 

Captain under Bert van Marwijk, pispaal no. 1 under Gullit and now back in the spotlight under Erwin Koeman. The last 18 months of the career of one Patrick Paauwe. Now with the news that Bert van Marwijk is looking to bring him to Borussia Dortmund if Sebastian Kehl doesn't extend his contract and that looks likely, I was wondering what you thought we should do.

Wotte's point of view is still that if any club could have him if they provide us with some money (500.000 to 1 million , that'd be my guess). Unfortunately for Wotte, FC Koln wanted to take him on a freebie so he's still with us but what if Dortmund was to come with that money cos it is well within their budget even with their financial problems (ie Smolarek still cost them 750.000 euros) plus looking at the level of players they're buying (Cedric vd Gun) it isn't unrealistic that they're looking at Paauwe (along with Nigel de Jong who I don't see going there in all honesty).

So what would you do? sell him and let him go now on a high instead of what would have been a low last summer cos you don't really rate him and see him being part of the future of our club? or keep him cos you rate him or cos you don't see us being able to find a replacement for the price of a Paauwe?

I say keep him because I don't see us being able to find a replacement for that price.

Paauwe wasn't able to run a whole defense all by himself but he has value while playing in the right circumstances, along a REAL leader.

A fee of €0,5M to €1M is not really worth while to sell him IMO and keep in mind he's the most experienced player in the team. I can't deny that he annoyed the hell out of me last season but he's an excellent player 'voor de breedte'.

I don't agree with is him being a leader. To me he just seems to be too much of a zeiker. After every goal scored last season, you saw his arms waving and him moaning the whole time to others. I dunno but on the field he seems a bit too grumpy for me :D maybe it's just me.

That saying I do value his contribution to the team. HE did well against Ajax for example and I'm grateful for the loyalty he has shown. Also even if we were to get some money for him, looking at our new very patient scouting policy, it'd probably take ages before we were to find a replacement for him.

btw I found that pic of Paauwe in the UEFA final on some site, but does anyone have one of Gyan in the final. Never been able to find one of him praying in the smoke just before kick-off. Would be awesome if any of you have it or could find it. One of the few things I'd have as a wallpaper :cool:

:confused: I also said that he's not a leader.


Seems to be a zeiker ? He IS a zeiker ! ;)

he looks grumpy because he doesnt like playing on Sundays.

unfortunately i dont have a pic like that either. the only pics of him and the final are when they won it and he shows the shirt.

http://www.feyenoord.nl/domains/feye...12790000000136

Keep him. Apart from the reasons supplied by Rataplan, Paauwe is still a player with certain qualities. If they are used well, he can still be as productive as any player in our squad. Remember, this player helped us lift the UEFA Cup in 2002.

Gullit's blundering really damaged his career. Ruud, was a tactical disaster when it came to defensive organization and discipline. Derksen mentioned it many times; 'they don't do back-coverage at Feyenoord' - which basically made our defense look like a Swiss cheese. Paauwe had too much space in his back.

Paauwe can be very useful providing he's used in a free-role and not as a man-marker, he lacks the strength and speed for that. Van Marwijk knew this well and I hope Koeman has this knowledge also. Thus far he managed to make good use of him.

damn sorry, read too fast. :o :D

still thanks for them monte. Of all things I actually forgot about our own site when I was looking yesterday. :o

:thumbsup:

Agree with everything you've said. And welcome to the forums BTW, hope to see you stick around! :)

After last nights game, have any of you changed your mind about him?

Last season he failed as a CB. He himself said he doesn't like playing at LB either while yesterdays performance as a DM wasn't very encouraging to say the least. This probably leaves only the LM spot as an alternative for him. It's probably where he's played best for us in the past but with Pardo and Ono ahead of him, his chances of playing there look bleak. Provided we get good money for Kuijt and Kalou in the summer, in order to build the rest of the team (eg. DM spot) I'm really starting to think now that it'd be best if we part ways in the summer. It'd be the best for him and for us.

To be honest, yes.

I was quite shocked, he was our central midfielder and didn't do anything more than "tikkie breed". Not to mention his marking like he was playing korfball, you people know what I mean.

I don't even feel the need to give him another chance after yesterday's performance while I know he can do better than that.

I wouldn't try him at lm either. His best matches were when he played together with Bosvelt at cm, when you guys still played you 4-3-3 / 4-2-4 system. But he Bosvelt by his side back then, who did a lot of defensive work.

It is quite rediculous to judge someone with Patrick's career on just one match in an empty stadium.

What did you expect? Were you waiting for him to make a forward run beating four midfielders before setting free Kuijt or Kalou? Rapid dug themselves in very deeply, Paauwe couldn't find any other options than our back-four due to a lack of movement from our attacking players.

Pardo and Ghaly were there for creativity and to be frank, they were sh*t.

Anyway, as a symbol of his dedication to the club, Patrick Paauwe is now our recordholder with the most European matches (53).



1. Patrick Paauwe 53 1998-
2. Wim Jansen 52 1965-80
3. Paul Bosvelt 50 1997-2003
4. Kees van Wonderen 48 1996-2004
5. Ulrich van Gobbel 47 1990-2002

Please, it was the last straw. At least Ghaly tried to be creative, that cannot be said of Paauwe and before you start about his defensive responsibilities, he didn't do anything usefull defensively either. It was terrible, plain terrible. He's simple not a defensive midfielder, he lacks the pace to be one. Sometimes he got the ball and he could cross the field but NO..'tikkie terug' because Ghaly and Pardo were there for creativity...

Yeah sure, that's not how soccer is played, Gyo-Ovaa.

Wim Jansen: "Pakt Paauwe tenminste nog iets af."

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well said he literally didnt do ANYTHING out there. yesterdays game was a pain to watch the camerawork was dreadful as well. and paauwe :thmbdown: thanks but no thanks! where the hell is Saidi ? cant we rebuild the team a little and leave paauwe out and get Karim in?

Since when does a defensive midfielder need pace? I think that is only required for offensive midfielders which Paauwe is clearly not...

I agree that he was playing poorly Yesterday (so was the rest...). However, if you haven't noticed yet, Ghaly and Pardo are supposed to be the more attacking of our three midfielders. They were intended to move between enemy lines and supply our strikers. Instead, they hung back and switched to long balls (which eventually granted us a lucky goal in hilarious fashion).

Paauwe is not such a midfielder, his task was to stay in front of the back-four and try to keep things simple, like Schreuder would. In my opinion he can do this quite well, provided he gets the needed coverage. Yesterday was just a poor display by him, but to axe him for it would be harsh. Paauwe played some decent games so far this season and he's also a Dutch-speaking player which is important in the line-up, don't underestimate that.

Koeman currently prefers Bahia, Saidi needs to work on his concentration.

no prob with bahia but get that brick paauwe out ASAP

Saidi is great and he studies his opponents well. I want him in. He's also got a monobrow which scares rival teams :)

Potentially, he is our best defender by far. For now I feel it is wiser to stick to the Greene - Bahia combination. So far they've been reliable enough and time will allow them both to develop their individual skills aswell as their partnership.

Saidi could be deployed into midfield, he used to play there as a kid so he should know how it works. He would add muscle and more defensive strength to our first line of defence. Moreover, he can tackle all he wants and mistakes are not necessarily lethal. I do think we must keep a Dutch-speaking player in our midfield though, perhaps if Hofs returns for Pardo...

Of course this is all stupid speculation, I can't see Koeman doing this at this point.

Yeah Greene and Bahia look very solid in the centre, I wouldn't mess with that combo either.

I think we should definately try to buy a DM during the winterbreak. Paauwe and Schreuder are both so-so options and that's simply not good enough to win prizes.

yeah Saidi did play up field earlier in his career so it wouldn't be new to him, but we could also maybe call back Gianni Zuiverloon who's been playing lately in RKCs midfield. Might be a tall order though.