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What we should do to batigoal9forever ???

PANILIAKOS
June 14th, 2003, 18:30
He talks bad about the Greeks, check it out.
http://www.xtratime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1551131#post1551131

Originally posted by batigoal9forever
well you can say he is good for a crappy championship like the greek one

AEKara Boston
June 14th, 2003, 19:19
Astone Paniliake, everybody is entitled to their own opinion even if we dont agree with it. I think our league is actually very very good. We are the 6th best in Europe and 7th in the World and all with a populaiton of 10,000,000. Once the new stadiums are done we'll be even better. Our players could play in any league in Europe garaunteed.

bati9
June 14th, 2003, 20:15
ego leo pisa kai poupoupa......ti einai ayta re???? ti einai ayta pou les re paniliake...poio protathlima ehei i ellada pou tha mou tin pis kiolas.....den ksero ta statistika alla mporei kai ama valeis kato ta noumera i fiorentina stin c2 tis italias na kopse perisotera isitiria apo olo to eliniko protathlima.... akou eliniko proathlima.....pou i hal stin 3 aglias kovei se enan agona osa kovoun ta aigalea kai oi proodeutikes se olokliro to protatlima

ukthrylos
June 14th, 2003, 21:13
Out of curiosity Mr Italy, could you perhaps tell us which 16 teams you'd like to see in the Greek top division to make it worthwhile?

Lets just keep Olympiakos, Panathinaikos, AEK, PAOK, Aris, Iraklis, Xanthi, OFI, and let you select the other 8 from anywhere other than the two big cities....

I have pondered with the idea myself, but could never come up with a scenario where any of the "other" teams could win anything if the league was composed like that.

gavros7
June 15th, 2003, 02:07
dikaiwma tou na grafei to ellhniko prwta8lhma sta arxidia tou....opws einai kai dikaiwma sas na grapsete ton ''ellhnara'' sta dika sas ta arxidia;) mi treleneste!!

it's a free world

AEK 1924
June 15th, 2003, 02:23
gavros7 is right. let this yianitsaro who likes argentina and not his own country (if indeed he is greek) its a free world, but we are used to it. and if our league is sh!t cuz all the teams or most of them are from athens, the does the epl suck too cuz of the amount of teams from london? but i love it when our crappy teams from our crappy championship beat the big teams in europe, and they cant understand why!

O Mexikanos
June 15th, 2003, 05:39
Greek-Mafia what are you going to do to him???:D :D :D
Greek way, or Italian way:D :D :D

bati9
June 15th, 2003, 10:16
nai nai koimithite to gliko ipno tou patriotismou...fovero to protatlima....

Out of curiosity Mr Italy, could you perhaps tell us which 16 teams you'd like to see in the Greek top division to make it worthwhile?

hmm as kano mia prospatia...as poume larisa na nai i mia kali mou akougete......pierikos na einai i alli kali mou akougete kai ayti.....tora pou to skeftomai otan imoun mikros ipirhe kai mia omada pou tin legan doksa dramas ..orea...na baloume kai ta gianena..tetios laos ma min ehei omada stin a kai na ehei to ionikaki.....tora an thimamai kala i kastoria ehei pari kai ena kipelo....toso oraia nisia ehei i patrida sas na min ehoume kai mia rodo.... na pame kai ligo pio kato tora as poume mia apo tis panahaiki,kalamata i paniliako...as vgaloume ton paniliako giati einai omadoula...as paroume panahaiki pou ehei i istoria....e gia na min leme kai oti theloume o panionios aksizei na nai stin a .....opote ego pou pragmatika eimai ashetos oson afora to eliniko podosfero vrika merikes ..fantasou aftoi pou kseroun

gavros7 is right. let this yianitsaro who likes argentina and not his own country (if indeed he is greek) its a free world, but we are used to it. and if our league is sh!t cuz all the teams or most of them are from athens, the does the epl suck too cuz of the amount of teams from london? but i love it when our crappy teams from our crappy championship beat the big teams in europe, and they cant understand why!

akou palikari isos mperdepse ta forum....den nomizo na einai to forum tis hrisis aygis edo..ante pane ki8niga kana metanasti kompexike

proton mia pou eho genithi se ayto to meros tipika mporeis na pis oti eimai elinas....prosopika den dilono tipota....oles tis simaies kai ola ta etni ta eho gramena ekei pou kses

to ksera oti tha vrethei enas grafikos na ferei to paradeigma tou aglikou protathlimatos(pou prepei na einai to monadiko sovaro protatlima stin europi pou simbainei ayto)alla ti ?prepei na apantiso tora...?bres tin mikroteri omada tou londinou kai sigrine ta eisitiria tis me oles tis omades apo tis geitonies tis athinas kai pane kane ena galop na deis ti omada dilonoun stin agliki gitonia kai ti stin athinaiki

kai fisika anafereis tis megales epitihies tou eliniou podosferou sto eksoteriko....me ton protathliti enois???megali epitihia na kaneis olon ton kosmo na gelai...i galata sikose uefa ..i porto sikose...alla ksehasa oi elinikes den asholounte me uefaki....ehoun varethei tis epitihies..

p.s yianitsaros ti einai ??autos pou einai apo ta gianena?

Amorgos
June 15th, 2003, 11:03
I bet your hopping for Armenia to beat Greece right?

Evil 37
June 15th, 2003, 12:32
Talk about a storm in a teacup, this has got to be one tragic thread.:rolleyes:

@ Paniliakos- if you read the post he's not talking bad about Greeks in general, he's just putting a point across that the Greek league ain't exactly great. I think there is a diffirence there.

@ Boston- whether the statistics bear out that the league is 7th best in the world or not, the fact remains that all but two clubs face daunting financial problems. Add to this the fact that clubs from "lesser" leagues such as Turkey, Holland and Portugal have won the UEFA Cup in recentyears whilst the best we could do is make the quarter finals and that standing should fall soon. Furthermore, if you were to ask someone in a street in Mogadishu as to the best 10 leagues in the world, chances are Greece wouldn't be mentioned. put simply, we don't have that impression. You could be right re: stadiums, NT and players in other leagues, but time will tell whether you're right or not.

@ AEK1924- so if a bloke likes watching Argentina play that makes him a "gianitsaro" right? Well, in that case there must be plenty in Greece given that a heaps of them were following the fortunes of Brazil in the WC last year. Besides his Greek seems okay to me plus theres a good case that he has also done military service as well. He doesn't have to tell the world how proud he is to be Greek does he?

@ batigol9forever- the Greek league isn't in the best of shape, most would agree. But then isn't that more or less the case throughout the world. Being a Fiorentina (ain't calling it by that other name, Cecchi Gori can get stuffed and return the name to the club if he had any decency left in him) fan you would know this better than most I would imagine. Sure they get bigger crowds than the Greek league does on a given weekend, but they also get bigger crowds than all but a hndful o clubs in Serie A. Perhaps that's an indication as to the credibility of the Italian League but that is to be discussed elsewhere me thinks.
I too agree that the league would be better served if there weremore of the likes of Giannina and Larissa than Kallithea and Halkidons, but the fact remains that these clubs are ill managed and lack a wealthy benefactor to help them realise their full potential. It is a sad fact, but it is also the harsh reality of Greek football at present.


I will keep this thread going, but guys try to make it constructive rather than one that is based on personal insults. Otherwise I will be left with no option but to close it.:(

bati9
June 15th, 2003, 16:46
I bet your hopping for Armenia to beat Greece right?
vasika ohi thelo na nikisei gia na perasei kai tou hronou tetia epohi na anaviosoun stigmes 94....istoriki hronia ksereis gia mena ...to mountial sto opoio arhisa na proseho ton bati...(argentinos imoun kai to 90)

@ batigol9forever- the Greek league isn't in the best of shape, most would agree. But then isn't that more or less the case throughout the world. Being a Fiorentina (ain't calling it by that other name, Cecchi Gori can get stuffed and return the name to the club if he had any decency left in him) fan you would know this better than most I would imagine. Sure they get bigger crowds than the Greek league does on a given weekend, but they also get bigger crowds than all but a hndful o clubs in Serie A. Perhaps that's an indication as to the credibility of the Italian League but that is to be discussed elsewhere me thinks.

epeidi isoun kaloproerretos kai akougese apolita logikos antropos na mai kai ego kaloproeretos...prota apo ola i fiorentina einai pleon kai episimos i fiorentina edo kai merikes bdomades..(opote o mpatatoudis tis italias na pai na...)....deuteron opos les kai esi den eipa kai tipota tromero ...mia alithia eipa kai pragmatika aporo me ayta ta paidia....diladi ti prothatlima nomizoun oti ehei i elada???aytoi den ehoun akousei oti oi perisoteres omades ehoun asteio meso oro eisitirion(mporei kai 3psifio)....oti to megalitero gipedo -tou paok-horaei 25000 kosmo kai genika ta gipeda einai ahouria....tous paragontes den mporeis na tous piaseis apo pouthena giati tha lerotheis(o vasilakis ta elege prohtes)....gia hronia vasileue i paraga.....an eksereseis merikes omades kathe hrono den blepeis pouthena theama....gia 7 hronia vlepoume to idio ergo(sta pio pola to kserame to telos se merika ohi)kai pano apo ola mia gitonia tis athinas ehei teseris omades...diladi ti allo prepei na ehei ena protathlima( i na min ehei kalitera) gia na mporo na to haraktiriso crappy eidika otan iparhei mia emesi sigrisi me to italiko(pou oso pesmena kai na einai ta noumera kai ekei einai "ierosilia" na ta sigrinoume

CHIVAS
June 15th, 2003, 17:45
Re patriotes na sas po thn alithia ego syfono poli me ton batigol9forever ola ta themata pou exei milise edo eine alithia prepei na to paradektoume exei dikio o batigol9forever, to thema eine oti emis h ellines den mas aresi na akoume thn alithia.

kingl
June 15th, 2003, 19:49
Originally posted by CHIVAS
Re patriotes na sas po thn alithia ego syfono poli me ton batigol9forever ola ta themata pou exei milise edo eine alithia prepei na to paradektoume exei dikio o batigol9forever, to thema eine oti emis h ellines den mas aresi na akoume thn alithia.

I alitia ine pos o Batigol ipe kapia prgmata pou simfono ke ego...ke kataba9os oli ta pisteuoume...alla nomizo pos ine iperbolikos. Fisika ke to elliniko prota8lima de sigkrinete me to Italiko i to Ispaniko...alla den ine ke tos kako. Idika meta tous Olimpiakous pou 8a exoume orea gipeda...8a anaba8misti poli. To epipedo den ine toso xamilo oso lei o filos, ke blepoume arketes fores kalo 8eama. ke iparxoun kali podosferistes pou mpori na pexoun se ola ta prota8limata tou kosmou.
Emena omos ayto pou de mou aresi eine pos o filos Bati den ine iper tis e8nikis omadas...malista an katalaba kala ipe pos 8a i8ele na pame sto Euro gia na xeftilistoume pali. Dld file de sou aresi na blepis tin Ethniki omada na kani epitixies?

AMOROSO!
June 15th, 2003, 20:00
I believe you assume too much about batigol kingl. I don't see anything that indicates he does not root for the national team. And even if he did imply that, it seems more to me as a reaction to the authoritarian tone of some people here.

And in case it is his full right and choice to support or not support the national team and consider the greek league crap or good. It is not for anyone to judge him or determinate his "Greekness". He is entitled to his opinion and he should be able to express it without people being all over him.

This topic is a disgrace.

CHIVAS
June 15th, 2003, 21:42
Originally posted by kingl
I alitia ine pos o Batigol ipe kapia prgmata pou simfono ke ego...ke kataba9os oli ta pisteuoume...alla nomizo pos ine iperbolikos.
Fisika ke to elliniko prota8lima de sigkrinete me to Italiko i to Ispaniko...alla den ine ke tos kako. Idika meta tous Olimpiakous pou 8a exoume orea gipeda...8a anaba8misti poli. To epipedo den ine toso xamilo oso lei o filos, ke blepoume arketes fores kalo 8eama. ke iparxoun kali podosferistes pou mpori na pexoun se ola ta prota8limata tou kosmou.
Emena omos ayto pou de mou aresi eine pos o filos Bati den ine iper tis e8nikis omadas...malista an katalaba kala ipe pos 8a i8ele na pame sto Euro gia na xeftilistoume pali. Dld file de sou aresi na blepis tin Ethniki omada na kani epitixies?

I alitia ine pos o Batigol ipe kapia prgmata pou simfono ke ego...ke kataba9os oli ta pisteuoume...alla nomizo pos ine iperbolikos.

Simfono ligo iperbolikos
Fisika ke to elliniko prota8lima de sigkrinete me to Italiko i to Ispaniko...alla den ine ke tos kako. Idika meta tous Olimpiakous pou 8a exoume orea gipeda...8a anaba8misti poli. To epipedo den ine toso xamilo oso lei o filos, ke blepoume arketes fores kalo 8eama. ke iparxoun kali podosferistes pou mpori na pexoun se ola ta prota8limata tou kosmou.
Simfono den prepei na sigkrinoume to Elliniko protathlima me to Italiko, Ispaniko, Aggliko. Giati autes h xores exou to xrima pou emeis den to exoume.
Emena omos ayto pou de mou aresi eine pos o filos Bati den ine iper tis e8nikis omadas...malista an katalaba kala ipe pos 8a i8ele na pame sto Euro gia na xeftilistoume pali. Dld file de sou aresi na blepis tin Ethniki omada na kani epitixies?
O batigol9forever den nomizo na eipe tipota kako gia thn ethniki omada mono gia to Elliniko protathima.

bati9
June 15th, 2003, 21:50
Emena omos ayto pou de mou aresi eine pos o filos Bati den ine iper tis e8nikis omadas...malista an katalaba kala ipe pos 8a i8ele na pame sto Euro gia na xeftilistoume pali. Dld file de sou aresi na blepis tin Ethniki omada na kani epitixies?

se ayto eimai ksekatharos ...ontos den ipostirizo tin etniki ellados....se etnikes ipostirizo tin argentini kai sta euro na hame na legame tin italia...auto bgainei apo mia genikoteri stasi zois...as poume oti i leksi patrida ohi apla den einai psila stin klimaka ton aksion mou alla den yparhei.....pos na to kanoume ??nai iparhoume kai emeis pou den kanoume tetious diahorismous(mporei na fenete parakseno se antrpopous san ton paniliako i ton aekelinara alla ti na kanoume afou den ta niotho mesa mou ayta ta pragmata)....

tora oson afora to allo to uponooumeno pou afisa ..peri kseftilismatos klp..itan apla ena proklitiko sholio se antropous edo mesa pou mou feronte proklitika...i etniki tis eladas einai opos oles ethnikes tou kosmou gia mena. me afinei adiaforo...ama peksei kai me tin germania as poume pou tin antipatho os etniki tin ipostirizo tin elada den eho provlima

kai den pisteuo oti me ta gipeda pou tha minoun apo 2004 tha allaksei kati drastika.....kai 16 old traford na eihe ..poios tha ta gemize.......koitakse theoro ena gemato gipedo enan apo tous vasikoterous paragontes gia na ginei ena oreo paihnidi....prosopika(kai den ksero pos niothete eseis) kai real -man u(pou theorounte apo tis pio theamatikes) na paize sta damaria tou virona den to vlepa...opos episis den tha goustara na to do oute kan se ena adio bernabeu

kai apo theama pisteuo se elahista paihnidia..to pio theamatiko fetino itan to aek -paok alla den to idame giati den ithele o agapoulas.....kai gia tous paihtes pou ipes oti mporoun poloi apo aytous na peksoun pantou den diafono..alla na mas to apodeiksoun kiolas...ohi mono frape kai paraliaki

AEK 1924
June 15th, 2003, 22:28
bottom line is that some strong comments have been made here, mine especially, was just avery offended and took the comments to heart. bati can say what he wants, but must understand that there is a large greek community here too, so those comments will get a reaction. no offense to anyone, signomi!

bati9
June 15th, 2003, 22:38
bottom line is that some strong comments have been made here, mine especially, was just avery offended and took the comments to heart. bati can say what he wants, but must understand that there is a large greek community here too, so those comments will get a reaction. no offense to anyone, signomi!

simfono shedon se ola mazi sou......pou diafono??ekei pou les oti must understand that there is a large greek community auto den to katalava....diladi ti prepei na kanoume na glifoume aytia ...na leme ti orea pou einai ola...den pisteyo oti imoun se kapoia periptosi proklitikos(ektos apo tis periptoseis pou proklithika) kai apo oti ida se pola apo osa eipa pola pedia simfonoun

Zakythos
June 15th, 2003, 22:41
mporei na fenete parakseno se antrpopous san ton paniliako i ton aekelinara alla ti na kanoume afou den ta niotho mesa mou ayta ta pragmata)....

Edo eine h apantisi paidia......gia mena den eine parakseno xero polou pou den theloune na akoune gia podosfero.

se ayto eimai ksekatharos ...ontos den ipostirizo tin etniki ellados....se etnikes ipostirizo tin argentini kai sta euro na hame na legame tin italia...auto bgainei apo mia genikoteri stasi zois...as poume oti i leksi patrida ohi apla den einai psila stin klimaka ton aksion mou alla den yparhei.....pos na to kanoume ??nai iparhoume kai emeis pou den kanoume tetious diahorismous(mporei na fenete parakseno se antrpopous san ton paniliako i ton aekelinara alla ti na kanoume afou den ta niotho mesa mou ayta ta pragmata)....
O batigoal9forever sas leei thn alithia pos niothi, tha fani poli parakseno se polous Elline alla auth eine h alithia fili mou.

Christos7
June 15th, 2003, 22:58
Originally posted by AMOROSO!
I believe you assume too much about batigol kingl. I don't see anything that indicates he does not root for the national team. And even if he did imply that, it seems more to me as a reaction to the authoritarian tone of some people here.

And in case it is his full right and choice to support or not support the national team and consider the greek league crap or good. It is not for anyone to judge him or determinate his "Greekness". He is entitled to his opinion and he should be able to express it without people being all over him.

This topic is a disgrace.


Well said.


People have opinions, leave it be.


I will keep this thread going, but guys try to make it constructive rather than one that is based on personal insults. Otherwise I will be left with no option but to close it.

:thumbsup:

Greek-Mafia
June 16th, 2003, 00:56
People have there own opinions, leave it be.
But I will say ZHTO ELLAS forever, in good times and bad times.

bati9
June 16th, 2003, 12:26
pisteyo pos teliose to thema alla gia na min ehoume pareksegiseis



Edo eine h apantisi paidia......gia mena den eine parakseno xero polou pou den theloune na akoune gia podosfero.

e ohi kai den thelo na akouo gia podosfero...malon den katalaves ti enoousa...ego zo gia na vlepo kai na paizo podosfero...to theoro to deytero pio simantiko pragma ston kosmo:)

AMOROSO!
June 16th, 2003, 12:36
If sex isn't first, you need to get your priorities right. :D

bati9
June 16th, 2003, 12:40
well not sex exactly....women generally is first so we agrie i think;)

AMOROSO!
June 16th, 2003, 12:45
Yeah. :)

However, I go tottaly gay every Sunday... I only care about sweaty men in shorts. :D

bati9
June 16th, 2003, 12:53
However, I go tottaly gay every Sunday... I only care about sweaty men in shorts.

:howler: :howler:

that no problem for me as long as u keep it for ...as..es...they want it:D

Zorbas
June 20th, 2003, 21:06
What we should do to batigoal9forever ???

Toipota. Kathe anthopos exei diaforetiki gnomi.

ukthrylos
June 21st, 2003, 07:22
I'd say create a consortium to build new 100,000 seater stadiums and let him be the chairman and marketing director to find the funding for it.

He appears to be very pissed off that there are no attendances, and I am rather annoyed myself that even if anyone eventually wanted to go to a game, all they'd see is a horafi or an 80,000 and a couple of 35,000 seaters 500 miles from where they are.

If one day violence dies down, a private company to build a real stadium (as in, minimum capacity 100,000 and to include hotels, apartments, training grounds, conference centers etc) in all cities with a 1st 2nd and 3rd division club would be a very profitable business. It is about time Greek fans stop thinking that a roof, a newly painted gate, and plastic seat half a meter from the ground which they can then throw into the ground screaming is their idea of atmosphere.

Do not forget, there are clubs who would come there to play friendlies in preseason and there are other clubs in nearby countries who would not mind playing a game in Greece in front of 100,000 paying fans who would be well behaved.

AMOROSO!
June 21st, 2003, 13:08
If fans went to the stadium and bought season tickets, the club would have money to build competitive squads. Competitive squads bring money from sponsors and TV. Hence, the wealthier the clubs, the better the services they would offer (both in terms of roster and stadium).

In England, third division teams gather crowds of 20,000+ and you're telling me the fans there are seeing better football? No, they go cause they love the game. The way the game is in Greece has made many people not love the game anymore...

prince paul
June 21st, 2003, 13:39
well i could care less about everyone's opinion here:howler: jokin':)

emena oute auta pou leei o batigoal mou fainontai perierga oute o patriwtismos(me thn kalh ennoia omws)pollwn filwn edw pera,aplws thelw na rwthsw kati ston batigoal giati tis idies erwthseis exw kanei kai ston eauto mou..ws trelos me to eurwpaiko podosfairo kai thn Barça(ligotero apo oti me thn thea AEK omws)

thn Argentinh thn goustareis kathara podosfairika?panta mou fainotan polu paraxeno pou se kathe diorganwsh oloi eixan apo mia agaphmenh ethnikh..den mporw na to katalavw(ektos argentinhs kai vrazilias pou einai allh fash podosfairika)..tha ithela na mou apanthseis giati exw malwsei me pollous filous mou..mou fainetai periergo

twra sto greek futbol kai to prwtathlhma mas..xerw oti polla pragmata einai xenerwta kai adika alla eimai aisiodoxos kai nomizw pws einai sto xeri mas na to kanoume kalutero..mou thumizei thn upokrisia twn ARD pou olo xwnoun enw apo auto trwne pswmi kai ftaine kai oi idioi..pantws kaka ta psemata me ola ta strava tou h pswra einai polu megalh otan goustareis mia omada..kai gia mena h AEK den sugkrinetai kamia barça tou kosmou..kai nomizw kai gia sena to idio me ton PAOK(an katalava apo to sxolio gia Batatoudi)

h ethnikh mas mas exei xenerwsei apisteuta kai prepei na prospathisei polU gia na xanazestathoume alla re file kai mono egwistika na to deis..den mporw ton xazoispano na mou leei prin ton agwna thelw apotelesma typou lixtenstain me thn elladoula..vevaia esena mporei na mhn se peirazan tetoia sxolia pao tous argentinous to 94..o kathenas exei tis apopseis tou

long post:o

kingl
June 21st, 2003, 14:29
What we should do to batigoal9forever ???

Hang him...:wallbang: :D ..No i am joking, just the question is really funny...;)
I agree with most of you..In fact i dont even think there is a matter of discussing that everyone's opinion different or not should respected. Thats the obvious for me, an ine tekmiriomeni fisika, ke oxi abasimi. Alla o filos o Bati exi apopsi ke tekmiriomeni malista..
Apo eki ke pera simfounoume i diafonoume, mporoume na to sizitisoume (oreo to post ligo pio pano tou filou spad). O bati e8ese ena megalo 8ema, to opio omos de xero an mpori na efarmosti ke sto podosfero toulaziston etsi opos ine i torines sin8kes...Ayta pros to paron.. 8a epistrepso sintoma me allo post, an sinexisti i sizitisi na poi ke ego tin apospi mou...;)

bati9
June 22nd, 2003, 11:55
thn Argentinh thn goustareis kathara podosfairika?panta mou fainotan polu paraxeno pou se kathe diorganwsh oloi eixan apo mia agaphmenh ethnikh..den mporw na to katalavw(ektos argentinhs kai vrazilias pou einai allh fash podosfairika)..tha ithela na mou apanthseis giati exw malwsei me pollous filous mou..mou fainetai periergo

koitakse ....i argentini einai gia mena mia epilogi opos o paok....deladi mia apo tis epiloges pou ekana mikros kai tora den thimamai ta kritiria pou eiha hrisimopoiisei tote...isos itan o diego..tora pou to skeftomao auto prepei na itan giati tote o diego itan sta kala tou... iha kai kati "vlahakia":D (den pisteyo na pareksigithei kanis pali) sti geitonia pou itan fenete daskalemena apo ton patera tous na len gia ton ..glifti..dimosioshesiti..beckam tis epohis tou...kirio mastercard...kai etsi ipirhe i shetiki kazoura kai ta shetika stratopeda...opote etsi malon egina....

apo ekei kai pera i argentini mou einai simpathis hora..kai pos na min einai alloste..afou evgale ton megalitero epanastati stin istoria ton kalitero podosferisti stin istoria kai ton kalitero for stin istoria(ante nalte ton stous 5 an diafoneite)..stis ginekes mas troei ligo i italia e AMO??;) gi ayto omos kai tous ehoume san deyteri epilogi..

an den katalaves gine ligo pio analitikos na to sizitisoume

kai gia mena h AEK den sugkrinetai kamia barça tou kosmou..kai nomizw kai gia sena to idio me ton PAOK(an katalava apo to sxolio gia Batatoudi)

vasika nai ime paok alla den ksero gi ayto pou les....apo tote pou asholoume me to kseno podosfero an me rotiseis tin proti mou omada malon vazo tin fiorentina..vasika apo silogous den ipostirizo alli omada opote den eho alla dilimata

kingl
June 22nd, 2003, 12:41
Originally posted by batigoal9forever
..glifti..dimosioshesiti..beckam tis epohis tou...kirio mastercard...kai etsi ipirhe i shetiki kazoura kai ta shetika stratopeda...opote etsi malon egina....



toulaxiston o Pele ixere ke ligi (oxi aplos ligi:) tora pou to skeftome.).. mpala...o allos oute mia apli ntripla de mpori na kani...;) Ke emena mou ti spane podosferistes pou glifoun ke endiaferonte pio poli gia to lifestyle tous...alla exo mia adinamia se aytous pou xrisimopioun to mialo poli (oxi pos de pao Diego alla paraine "alitis" gia ta gousta mou)Gi ayto adinamia exo stous : Kroif, Platinni, Raul (apo tous sigxronous)Pektas pou ke mpala xeroun ke de dinoun idieteres labes gia ti prosopiki tous zoi...alla pani apo ola xrisimopioun to mialo tous otan pezoun mpala..
Alla ayton ton Beckam ton antipa8o...oso de pai...Ke to gelio ine pos aytos o apla kalos podosferistis 8eorite apo pollous o kaliteros ton keron mas:mad: ..Ego pantos mporo etsi proxira na apori8miso toulaxisto 30 sigxronous kaliterous tou..!!

:)

bati9
June 22nd, 2003, 12:55
..Ego pantos mporo etsi proxira na apori8miso toulaxisto 30 sigxronous kaliterous tou..!!

kala aderfe plaka kaneis???30 kaliterous fantazomai enois sti thesi tou???i ksanthous??i me to kourema tou..i na ehoun orees ginekes...i ...i...giati an ta kritiria einai genika ego sou brisko hiliades...;) mono stin proin tou omada na deis posoi kaliteroi iparhoun...telos panton eytihos ton pire i real na apodinamothei ligaki mprosta giati....akou tha pezei o spice boy sti thesi tou figo...ierosilia...

toulaxiston o Pele ixere ke ligi (oxi aplos ligi tora pou to skeftome.).. mpala...o allos oute mia apli ntripla de mpori na kani... Ke emena mou ti spane podosferistes pou glifoun ke endiaferonte pio poli gia to lifestyle tous...

ela more tora..kses argentinoi eimaste vazoume kai ligi salsa:D

alla exo mia adinamia se aytous pou xrisimopioun to mialo poli (oxi pos de pao Diego alla paraine "alitis" gia ta gousta mou)Gi ayto adinamia exo stous : Kroif, Platinni, Raul (apo tous sigxronous)Pektas pou ke mpala xeroun ke de dinoun idieteres labes gia ti prosopiki tous zoi...alla pani apo ola xrisimopioun to mialo tous otan pezoun mpala..

emena na sou po tin alithia mou aresei kai epidi einai toso alitis.....alla tetiou eidous alitia ...na ta vazeis me olous kai me ola...ohi alitia tipou ...anatolaki as poume ..kolomagas kai etsi....kai gia ayto pou les ...gia hrisi tou mialou....gia tous dio palious den thimamai alla o raul einai haraaktiristiko paradeigma...ontos

ukthrylos
June 22nd, 2003, 17:35
Originally posted by AMOROSO!
If fans went to the stadium and bought season tickets, the club would have money to build competitive squads. Competitive squads bring money from sponsors and TV. Hence, the wealthier the clubs, the better the services they would offer (both in terms of roster and stadium).

You will find out that the more money a Greek club gets, the less money goes to improve any of its facilities unfortunately. If clubs in Athens and Thessaloniki were to be forced to build an 80,000 seat stadium in order to participate in the European competitions (and Olympiakos, PAO, AEK, PAOK, Aris, Iraklis would actually fill it, and Panionios would get it to 50,000 on a good week), or reniquish their position to the next in line, you'd see a difference.

UEFA does not care as long as fans are segregated and VIPs have their tickets. So an 8,000 seat stadium with 2,000 empty seats in between fans would be fine commercially for them. Anything has to be done from within Greece not expect to be pushed from abroad.

AMOROSO!
June 23rd, 2003, 02:38
No team in Greece excluding PAOK and Olympiakos can even fill a 40,000 stadium regularly. 80,000 from teams like Iraklis is unrealistic, ditto for 50,000 for Panionios.

In my opinion, a modern cute stadium doesn't have to be big. If Iraklis can play in a 5,000 stadium and have 3,000 average crowd, it's all fine.

ukthrylos
June 23rd, 2003, 20:47
Somehow I think Iraklis-Man Utd and Aris-Arsenal along with PAOK-Real Madrid would be sold out at 80,000.... But Aris-Union Luxemburg in the UEFA cup preliminaries the year after would probably not draw more than 600....

The point remains, Greece must be the only country in the world where only one large soccer stadium has been built in the past 40 years (OAKA at 78,000 full capacity), and we had no excuse whatsoever for this. We had no wars, our teams have consistently done better decade after decade and year after year, we are sixth in Europe and probably fourth in about 2-3 years times, lots of star players have come to play in Greece, some even still play football and not just look at paychecks and the sun, TV companies one way or another pay money, and UEFA has paid a lot of money to Greek teams for their runs in the European Cups. Yet no one ever bothered to build a new stadium and we had to wait for the Olympics to modify any old ones.

Amorgos
June 24th, 2003, 06:58
Geat post ukthrylos, you said it spot on!!!
Although im sure PAOK can pack 80,000 if there was a game big enough for it,

AEK 1924
June 24th, 2003, 10:55
id rather see the day when our stads are sold out during the season for every game, then worry about 80.000. plus how many teams play in 80.000 seat stadiums and fill them anyways?

Xasomeris
June 25th, 2003, 09:06
Skotoma theli to kathrama. Ellinas eine ke den agapah stin omadamas, re mazitis na eise se kales stismes ke kakkes.:finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger:

Kostas
June 28th, 2003, 04:50
Batigoal9forever has every right to support any team he wants,even if i am against not to support your own country.As for the Greek championship he has many good points.Ionikaki,Kalithea,Aigalew etc should be in the lower divisions as they are tsirakia of Thrylos,PAO.How they live without fans???The "big" clubs keep them in life in order not to have to travel in difficult homes like Drama,Larisa.But the national team is an other topic,we must FANS of this team above the club preferences.

Ok,i can't blame batigol for loving Argentina.How can't he love the country of Diego,Mar de Plata,Miramar and the wonderful chicas!!!Am i wrong Batigol?:D :D

PS-Amo,as you talked about fans and you know about it,how many PAOKia were at Athens in 85 when you lost 4-1 in the Cup final from Larisa??I will help you telling for us, 20.000!!!
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