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post #1 of 1345 (permalink) Old July 12th, 2015, 22:07 Thread Starter
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2018 FIFA World Cup - Russia

With the current drama/situation surrounding the Serbian NT after the CAS verdict (and poor Euro Qualifying form even prior to the verdict), it seems only right that a Hrvat such as myself take Sally's advice (and Krle's +1) and be the one to open up the 2018 FIFA World Cup thread here on the Serb forum.








The European section of the 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification will act as qualifiers for the 2018 FIFA World Cup, to be held in Russia, for national teams which are members of the Union of European Football Associations (UEFA). Apart from Russia, which qualify automatically as hosts, a total of 13 slots in the final tournament are available for UEFA teams.

The qualifying format was confirmed by the UEFA Executive Committee meeting on 22–23 March 2015 in Vienna.

Format
The qualification structure is as follows:

First round (group stage): The 52 teams will be divided into nine groups (seven groups of six teams and two groups of five teams) to play home-and-away round-robin matches. The winners of each group will qualify for the 2018 FIFA World Cup, and the eight best runners-up will advance to the second round (play-offs).

Second round (play-offs): The eight best runners-up from the first round will play home-and-away over two legs. The four winners will qualify for the 2018 FIFA World Cup.

Seeding
The draw for the first round (group stage) will be held on 25 July 2015, at the Konstantinovsky Palace in Strelna, Saint Petersburg, Russia.

The seeding will be based on the FIFA World Rankings of July 2015. The 52 teams are seeded into six pots:

Pot 1 contains the teams ranked 1–9.
Pot 2 contains the teams ranked 10–18.
Pot 3 contains the teams ranked 19–27.
Pot 4 contains the teams ranked 28–36.
Pot 5 contains the teams ranked 37–45.
Pot 6 contains the teams ranked 46–52.

Each six-team group contains one team from each of the six pots, while each five-team group contains one team from each of the first five pots.

Due to the centralisation of media rights for European Qualifiers, England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands will all be drawn into six-team groups. They may be placed in the same group if they are in different seeding pots.

Due to the political situation between the countries, and based on the relevant decisions taken by the UEFA Executive Committee, Azerbaijan and Armenia cannot be drawn together.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_F...fication_(UEFA)


Here are the seeded teams that will start each qualification group:



And here are the teams that will be drawn, 1 from each pot, into the qualification groups:












World Cup 2018 Qualifiers begin next September after the 2016 Euros in France wrap up in July!
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@ Nepoznat.

And some of you were saying our Euro 2014 group was easy, yet Wales, Belgium, and Croatia are all in Pot 1.

Anyways...

Easiest Group: (on paper)
Romania/Wales
Iceland
Serbia
Faroe Islands
Moldova
Andorra

The group we'll probably get:
Germany
Italy
Serbia
Turkey
Finland
Kazakhstan

:rollani:

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Close and delete. A troll will not start our World Cup thread.

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Close and delete. A troll will not start our World Cup thread.

come on milos, have a little fun with me, I'm not being a troll by starting the thread, just having a little fun but I can & will contribute positively to the thread. For example I made the thread / OP nice with graphics and links and information, no?

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Easiest Group: (on paper)
Romania/Wales
Iceland
Serbia
Faroe Islands
Moldova
Andorra

The group we'll probably get:
Germany
Italy
Serbia
Turkey
Finland
Kazakhstan

:rollani:

when will we ever see the ex-Yugo group and how crazy would that be? Unfortunately it's not possible this year:

Hrvatska = Pot 1 (of course, no surprise there )
Bosna = Pot 2
Srbija = Pot 3
Slovenia / Crna Gora = both in Pot 4
Makedonija = Pot 5
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there you go krle, thread opened.
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*Wales and Romania in pot 1 despite not qualifying for anything recently.
*Croatia being a pot 1 team despite not winning a group since 2008

The weighting of the current qualification campaign is definitely too high.
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This could be a good omen. Imagine Serbia wins the world cup and this donkeys and attempt at trolling completely backfires..

Or even, Croatia can't muster up enough bosnians,albanians,serbs or Brazilians to play for them and they don't qualify


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there you go krle, thread opened.


Not exactly what I meant, but hopefully their qualifying magic rubs off on us.

These guys may not know senior tournament success since 1998, but they're qualifying wizards!

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*Wales and Romania in pot 1 despite not qualifying for anything recently.
*Croatia being a pot 1 team despite not winning a group since 2008

The weighting of the current qualification campaign is definitely too high.


Ridiculously high.

Wales were actually Serbia's whipping boys in the last campaign. Can't believe the rise they've made all of a sudden.
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*Wales and Romania in pot 1 despite not qualifying for anything recently.
*Croatia being a pot 1 team despite not winning a group since 2008

The weighting of the current qualification campaign is definitely too high.
I agree that's nuts for Wales & Romania being in Pot 1. Croatia may not have won a group since 2008 however we have only missed one tournament in the past 10 years, and that campaign started a few months after Eduardo's leg was broken (we would've been a force at Euro 2008 had he been in the squad at full health, hell we beat up on Germany in the group stage and were 1 minute away from the Semi Finals before we let in equalizer even without Eduardo). So Croatia's relative consistency helped our rankings and we are often in Pot 1


I think the UEFA coefficient points system is better, and the elo rankings too. And FIFA's system is going to treat the upcoming & inugural 2018-19 UEFA Nations League matches as Friendlies rather than Tournament games (Friendlies are worth less points)!
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Not exactly what I meant, but hopefully their qualifying magic rubs off on us.

These guys may not know senior tournament success since 1998, but they're qualifying wizards!
2000 = not qualified

2002 = poor performance

2004 = Drawn into"Group of Death" with FIFA ranked #1 France and #5 England

2006 = Croatia should have advanced except Australia was allowed a Harry Kewell off-side goal to equalize us. Then again Josip Simunic received 3 yellow cards that match so we should've been down to ten men earlier in the match

2008 = Eduardo, one of the best strikers in the world at that point, has his leg horribly broken by an English player (note we had just knocked England out of Euro 2008, and would be qualifying against them against for WC 2010). We still managed to win our Group (including Germany) without him and getting all 9 points before failing to hold off Turkey in the Quarter Finals (we were within 1 minute, likely just a few seconds before we let in equalizer... then our spirits were crushed and we totally messed up the penalty kicks)

2010 = Eduardo recovering and never the same, and Luka Modric's own leg was broken by yet another English goon and this time just a week or so before a crucial Croatia v England WC Qualifier. We failed to Qualify without out 2 biggest studs

2012 = Drawn into group with eventual winners Spain and runners up Italy. Croatia was robbed in both matches against those teams as Pirlo scores on a free kick from a phantom "foul" on Balotelli. And then in the final match, Croatia receives no penalty kick for this clear foul in the box (Corluka still manages to get his head on the ball and sent it towards goal, but a clean attempt he probably scores):




2014 = Croatia is robbed in the opening match against hosts Brazil, and the whole world saw it go down. First off all Neymar should've been red carded and out of the tournament (as Brazil would not have beat Croatia had this been called correctly, and then Neymar would've missed the rest of the group games) for intentionally punching/elbowing Modric in the face/mouth instead of going after a header like Luka was doing. Neymar would not have scored his first goal and Croatia who was playing better than 11 men Brazil would've dominated 10 men Brazil! Then the BS penalty on Lovren for Fred's flop. Then Croatia's disallowed goal after Ivica Olic headed the ball away from Julio Cesar. And somehow the ref lets Oscar's goal stand even though Ramires (if my memory is correct) starts that attack by not just fouling Rakitic but completely blowing him up where Ivan goes airborn and then lands lying down flat onto pitch)



so we've had more than our fair share of bad luck or terrible calls in our tournament matches lately which imo contributed to a lot of our lack of success.
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2008 = Eduardo, one of the best strikers in the world at that point, has his leg horribly broken by an English player (note we had just knocked England out of Euro 2008, and would be qualifying against them against for WC 2010). We still managed to win our Group (including Germany) without him and getting all 9 points before failing to hold off Turkey in the Quarter Finals (we were within 1 minute, likely just a few seconds before we let in equalizer... then our spirits were crushed and we totally messed up the penalty kicks)
That was one of the weiderst and luckiest tournaments a team has ever had. Turkey had so much luck and effort. From missing around 10 players because of injuries and cards to almost going out in the group untill Cech made the biggest blunder in his live to winning against Croatia in the final second of the match.

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@ Eduardo being one of the best strikers in the world at any point.

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@ Eduardo being one of the best strikers in the world at any point.
depends on how you define best strikers no? if you mean top 3 player then definitely no, but if we're talking top 25 he's definitely in consideration for those years, no?

I mean he had 10 goals in 12 international matches in that Qualifying period, nearly 1 goal for every match at representation/association level!

And he had like 60 goals for his clubs during < 80 matches during the same 2 or so year period, which is > 3:4 ratio of goals per game


seems pretty damn good to me
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How the **** are Romania and Wales ranked so high?

If you took our games against them people would think we were some kind of world beaters.

Anyway not positive about this campaign even now. Not until Tole is gone.

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well I hope the next qualifiers for Russia 2018 are good for Serbia ,and not a extra sport issue go again against Serbia cause im getting tire of this bulling from thee international football organization that respond to politics whenever they want tio satisfy specially to the EU powers to punish Serbia for no reason, like they did banning Yugoslavia(Serbia) euro92 and USA94, at that times they ruin that generation of players that could have win those tournaments and now reversing a Uefa decision In favor of Serbia against Albania ,but now came CAS and reverse the decision and not only giving the victory to Albania and the points ,but at the same time Eliminating Serbia from France 2016 is the biggest unjustice that they ever make
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Im sick of this To generations of players the ruin just for political reasons.
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depends on how you define best strikers no? if you mean top 3 player then definitely no, but if we're talking top 25 he's definitely in consideration for those years, no?

I mean he had 10 goals in 12 international matches in that Qualifying period, nearly 1 goal for every match at representation/association level!

And he had like 60 goals for his clubs during < 80 matches during the same 2 or so year period, which is > 3:4 ratio of goals per game


seems pretty damn good to me
When you say one of the best strikers in the world, I usually think top-5, max top-10 players. Top-25 is like in any sport, quite different. It's like comparing Djokovic to #25 in the world or vice-versa and you see what I mean. Either way, that's my outlook on things when one speaks of 'one of the best players in said position' - I realize it's different for people.

Either way, Mario Gomez has scored many goals throughout his career but I don't think many would ever argue he was one of the best. Let's be honest, if Eduardo was ever so great, he'd be playing for Brazil and not Croatia. That doesn't mean to say he's a bum, but one of the best at one time, I strongly disagree.

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Striker, it didn't look very likely that we would have qualified for these Euros anyways, basically after the Albania game. Dropping points to them at home is costly, especially when it would have most likely come down to the two of us fitting it out for a chance in the playoffs. Albania also got a result against Portugal, so, they were already in a much better position than us, especially considering how we dropped points away to Armenia in the 1st game.

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