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Secret Hiltre: A Mafia Game (Kind of)

The year is 1932. The place is pre-WWII Germany. In Secret Hiltre, players are German politicians attempting to hold a fragile Liberal government together and stem the rising tide of Fascism. Watch out though—there are secret Fascists among you, and one player is Secret Hiltre.

OVERVIEW
At the beginning of the game, each player is secretly assigned to one of three roles: Liberal , Fascist , or Hiltre . The Liberals have a majority, but they don’t know for sure who anyone is; Fascists must resort to secrecy and sabotage to accomplish their goals. Hiltre plays for the Fascist team, and the Fascists know Hiltre’s identity from the outset, but Hiltre doesn’t know the Fascists and must work to figure them out.

The Liberals win by enacting five Liberal Policies or killing Hiltre. The Fascists win by enacting six Fascist Policies , or if Hiltre is elected Chancellor after three Fascist Policies have been enacted.

Whenever a Fascist Policy is enacted, the government becomes more powerful, and the President is granted a single-use power which must be used before the next round can begin. It doesn’t matter what team the President is on; in fact, even Liberal players might be tempted to enact a Fascist Policy to gain new powers.

OBJECT
Every player has a secret identity as a member of either the Liberal team or the Fascist team.
Players on the Liberal team win if either:
• Five Liberal Policies are enacted.
OR
• Hiltre is assassinated.
Players on the Fascist team win if either:
• Six Fascist Policies are enacted.
OR
• Hiltre is elected Chancellor any time after the third Fascist Policy has been enacted.

There are 17 Policies (6 Liberal, 11 Fascist) in total.

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GAMEPLAY
Secret Hiltre is played in rounds. Each round has an Election to form a government, a Legislative Session to enact a new Policy, and an Executive Action to exercise governmental power.

ELECTION
1. Pass the Presidential Candidacy
At the beginning of a new round, the President placard moves clockwise to the next player, who is the new Presidential Candidate.

2. Nominate a Chancellor
The Presidential Candidate chooses a Chancellor Candidate by passing the Chancellor placard to any other eligible player. The Presidential Candidate is free to discuss Chancellor options with the table to build consensus and make it more likely the Government gets elected.

Eligibility:
The last elected President and Chancellor are “term-limited,” and ineligible to be nominated as Chancellor Candidate.

3. Vote on the government
Once the Presidential Candidate has chosen an eligible Chancellor Candidate, players may discuss the proposed government until everyone is ready to vote. Every player, including the Candidates, votes on the proposed government.

If the vote is a tie, or if a majority of players votes no:
The vote fails. The Presidential Candidate misses this chance to be elected, and the President placard moves randomly to the next player. The Election Tracker is advanced by
one Election.

Election Tracker: If the group rejects three governments in a row, the country is thrown into chaos. Immediately reveal the Policy on top of the Policy deck and enact it. Any power granted by this Policy is ignored, but the Election Tracker resets, and existing term-limits are forgotten. All players become eligible to hold the office of Chancellor for the next Election.

If a majority of players votes yes:
The Presidential Candidate and Chancellor Candidate become the new President and Chancellor, respectively.

If three or more Fascist Policies have been enacted already:
Ask if the new Chancellor is Hiltre. If so, the game is over and the Fascists win. Otherwise, other players know for sure the Chancellor is not Hiltre.
Proceed as usual to the Legislative Session.

LEGISLATIVE SESSION
During the Legislative Session, the President and Chancellor work together to enact a new Policy in secret. The President select two out of three Policies from the Policy deck and discards one Policy. The remaining two tiles go to the Chancellor, who discards one Policy and enacts the remaining Policy by placing the tile face up on the corresponding track.

Discarded Policy tiles should never be revealed to the group. Players must rely on the word of the President and Chancellor, who are free to lie.

If the government enacted a Fascist Policy that covered up a Presidential Power, the sitting President gets to use that power. Proceed to the Executive Action.If the government enacted a Liberal Policy or a Fascist Policy that grants no Presidential Power, begin a new round with a new Election.

EXECUTIVE ACTION
If the newly-enacted Fascist Policy grants a Presidential Power, the President must use it before the next round can begin. Before using a power, the President is free to discuss the issue with other players, but ultimately the President gets to decide how and when the power is used. Gameplay cannot continue until the President uses the power. Presidential Powers are used only once; they don’t stack or roll over to future turns.

PRESIDENTIAL POWERS
Investigate Loyalty
The President chooses a player to investigate. The result will be either "Liberal" or "Fascist".

Call Special Election
The President chooses any other player at the table to be the next Presidential Candidate by passing that player the President placard. Any player can become President. The new President nominates an eligible player as Chancellor Candidate and the Election proceeds as usual.

Execution
The President executes one player at the table by saying “I formally execute [player name].” If that player is Hiltre, the game ends in a Liberal victory. If the executed player is not Hiltre, the group shall not learn whether a Fascist or a Liberal has been killed; players must try to work out for themselves the new table balance. Executed players are removed from the game and may not speak, vote, or run for office.

VETO POWER
The Veto Power is a special rule that comes into effect after five Fascist Policies have been enacted. For all Legislative Sessions after the fifth Fascist Policy is enacted, the Executive branch gains a permanent new ability to discard all three Policy tiles if both the Chancellor and President agree.
The President draws three Policy tiles, discards one, and passes the remaining two to the Chancellor as usual. Then Chancellor may, instead of enacting either Policy, say “I wish to veto this agenda.” If the President consents by saying, “I agree to the veto,” both Policies are discarded and next election will follow. If the President does not consent, the Chancellor must enact a Policy as normal.
Each use of the Veto Power represents an inactive government and advances the Election Tracker by one.

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STRATEGY NOTES
Everyone should claim to be a Liberal. Since the Liberal team has a voting majority, it can easily shut out any player claiming to be a Fascist. As a Fascist, there is no advantage to outing yourself to the majority. Additionally, Liberals should usually tell the truth. Liberals are trying to figure out the game like a puzzle, so lying can put their team at a significant disadvantage.
If this is your first time playing Hiltre, just remember: be as Liberal as possible. Enact Liberal Policies. Vote for Liberal governments. Kiss babies. Trust your fellow Fascists to create opportunities for you to enact Liberal Policies and to advance Fascism on their turns. The Fascists win by subtly manipulating the table and waiting for the right cover to enact Fascist Policies, not by overtly playing as evil.
Liberals frequently benefit from slowing play down and discussing the available information. Fascists frequently benefit from rushing votes and creating confusion.
Fascists most often win by electing Hiltre as Chancellor, not by enacting six Policies! Electing Hiltre isn’t an optional or secondary win condition, it’s the core of a successful Fascist strategy. Hiltre should always play as a Liberal, and should generally avoid lying or getting into fights and disagreements with other players. When the time comes, Hiltre needs the Liberals’ trust to get elected. Even if Hiltre isn’t ultimately elected, the distrust sown among Liberals is key to getting Fascists elected late in the game.
Ask other players to explain why they took an action. This is especially important with Presidential Powers—in fact, ask ahead of time whom a candidate is thinking of investigating/appointing/assassinating.
• If a Fascist Policy comes up, there are only three possible culprits: The President, the Chancellor, or the Policy Deck. Try to figure out who (or what!) put you in this position.

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The game best played by 7-10 players.
There is a pecking order for President, so I make the first applicant as the first Presidential candidate and so on.
The Fascists know Hiltre, but Hiltre didn't know them. They could contact him by PM, but so does the Liberals, so Hiltre beware.
It will go on 24 hours cycle with phase
1. ELECTION phase, Presidential candidate chose by pecking order (by me). Presidential candidate select a Chancellor candidate.
2. Everyone vote YES or NO.*
3. If APPROVED by majority, government formed, go to LEGISLATIVE phase, President choose 2 out of 3 policies (given by me), while Chancellor choose 1 out of 2 policies given by President.
4. If Fascist policy enacted, Fascist tracker goes +1**, Presidential power (if allowed/needed), then go back to 1.

* If REJECTED/STATUS QUO, No government formed. Election tracker goes +1. (If election tracker goes 3, there is a chaos, then any policies that immediately on the list will be enacted and election tracker reset)
** For 7-8 players, if fascist tracker (no. of Fascist policy enacted) at:
1 -> Nothing
2 -> President investigate a player, pick next Presidential candidate or kill a player
3 -> President investigate a player, pick next Presidential candidate or kill a player
4 -> President investigate a player, pick next Presidential candidate or kill a player
5 -> President investigate a player, pick next Presidential candidate or kill a player and Veto power unlocked
6 -> Fascist win

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We have our first player... also the first in Presidential pecking order.

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Defenitely in, sooo in that I don't even care I work alot and early hours to have much time for evening deadlines. But this sounds bizzarely fascinating.

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So the pecking order for President seat:
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We have our first player... also the first in Presidential pecking order.
You had him at "Hitler".
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come on guys, this is your chance to be ADOLF HITLER himself

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come on guys, this is your chance to be ADOLF HITLER himself

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I'm in. Sounds like a cool game and I'm looking to learn the ropes.
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come on guys, this is your chance to be ADOLF HITLER himself

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I'm in. Sounds like a cool game and I'm looking to learn the ropes.
Thank you, we have player No. 3.
Only 1 Hiltre tho. 3 normal fascists and the rest (6) are Liberals aka Squares.
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Can this be summarized in a paragraph?

It is a kind of representative democracy mafia version. The town elects a chancellor who then decides whether to implement a decision which is good for the town (Liberals) or the mafia (Fascists). To fcuk it up even more, there is a checks and balances element in the President who may control the Chancellors' choices to some extent.

I am in. Might be fun.

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It is a kind of representative democracy mafia version. The town elects a chancellor who then decides whether to implement a decision which is good for the town (Liberals) or the mafia (Fascists). To fcuk it up even more, there is a checks and balances element in the President who may control the Chancellors' choices to some extent.

I am in. Might be fun.
Yes, BB

Town (the Reichstag members) have limited power to approving/rejecting President/Chancellor appointment (it has consequence).
President has power to choose the Chancellor.
Presidential candidate given by pecking order (or in later game, could be appointed by the Previous President).
If Hiltre becomes Chancellor, Fascist won.
So having a smart President is important.
Town could reject the the candidacy, but it would be situation Chaos (after 3x rejection in a row)
Plus Fascists know each other and they know who Hiltre is, but Hiltre didn't know them.

One sentence might be like this:
There are two groups, Liberals and Fascists, in the Reichstag, Reichstag vote for a given Presidential candidate, if approved the President choose Chancellor, both President and Chancellor enact policy, President also has special power.

Presidential pecking order:
Andy Christ
Osman
Firdaus
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... (6 more players needed for best gaming experience)

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Since the use of Hittler is not well accepted (except in India) and can be offensive, I suggest to change the name to another fashionable facist such a Salazar, Tatcher or Evita Péron. Thanks.

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Since the use of Hittler is not well accepted (except in India) and can be offensive, I suggest to change the name to another fashionable facist such a Salazar, Tatcher or Evita Péron. Thanks.
Salazar, Thatcer or Peron as a German? Come on

I make Afold Hiltre? That's alright?

As of now, there are no names for the others. As the roles of the dead won't be officially announced.

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If BB is in, this game is definitely poised for greatness.
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Btw, @cumi2got , you can take a random leader in the world bar a few old fashioners, for the Hitler role. Erdogan, Putin, Orban, Borisov, Fico, Vucic...

I wish @szövkap and @Morierinho played this one. Now THAT would be greatness.

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no, it must be Hitler!!! he was the original gangsta!

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